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Foreign Spouse Tax Issues
- 01-30-2012
January 30, 2012, 4:09 pm
treatment for a foreign spouse. Well we did get married and she is a
U.S. legal resident and I'm actually trying to prepare a return.
I did hire an accountant, but in one of our first conversations we had
an issue, not in an angry way, a mutually respectful way, so let me
ask about that issue and others.
Basic fact: My wife lives and works in Canada, was there for the
entire tax year, and clearly qualifies as a foreign resident under the
bona fide test. She has no US income.
The issue I had with the accountant was that he said her mortgage
interest and property taxes are not deductible. I looked at a number
of sources including IRS Pub. 936, and found no reference whatsoever
to it not being deductible. The accountant said that because her
income from Canada would be excluded, we would in effect be deducting
her interest/property taxes against my USA income, and the IRS would
not allow that. I do recall some examples in publications pertaining
to the FTC and FEIE that showed expenses related to producing foreign
income where the expenses were not deductable on the US tax return
because the income was not taxable here. But those would seem to have
nothing to do with a primary residence. IRS would never take the
position that ownership of a primary residence is an element of
producing income, else people would deduct all their housing
expenses! Also, one has nothing to do with the other really - if one
spouse owns a home but has no income, and the other has income but
doesn't own a home, the deductible homeownership expenses are still
deductible to the couple.
The accountant seemed to somewhat grudingly agree with me, and said he
is going to look for a specific citation, but he ended our
conversation implying that I shouldn't hire him, because if he
prepared the return he would have to attach a statement that the
return takes a position he doesn't agree with, and that's obviously
the last thing I need. Especially when I think my position is 100%
reasonable. What do you folks think?
Moving beyond that, the other issues are deductibility of provincial
income taxes, RSP contributions (same as our IRA here), and
contributions she makes to her pension plan (she is a government
employee and has a defined benefit plan to which she must
contribute). I would be interested in opinions, but I suspect that:
a) While provincial income taxes are fundamentally the same as state
income taxes, "fundamentally the same" don't cut it with the IRS.
Publication 17 says that "Foreign Income Taxes" are deductible, but I
know you can't take the foreign tax credit and deduct the taxes also,
and you can't double-dip if you are taking the foreign earned income
exclusion. I would LIKE to say that the federal income tax to Canada
is what's affected by the FTC/FEIE, and the provincial income taxes
are deductible like state income taxes - but I think I'm SOL here.
b) I likewise doubt that her contributions to her pension plan are
deductible/excludeable. But maybe somebody knows better.
Thanks in advance.
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Re: Foreign Spouse Tax Issues
You are allowed to deduct qualified mortgage interest on two homes. It
doesn't matter that one home may be in the US and the other in Canada.
So... the accountant is wrong unless that home in Canada was a third home.
Provincial income tax is the same as federal income tax to the US. They
are both foreign income taxes. If all of your spouse's income is
excluded from the US return, there is no deduction or credit for foreign
taxes paid. If some of her income is not excluded then you can use the
formula on page 7 of IRS Pub 514 to see how much of the taxes she paid
may be available for a US tax benefit.
Her contributions to her Canada pension and RRSP are not deductible on
her US return (they're not US qualified plans). However, to the extent
that any contribution she made was pre-tax and lowered her Canada
income, that lower income is what gets translated to US dollars.
Lastly, the RRSP is treated as an investment account for US tax
purposes, and any income would be subject to US tax unless an election
to defer taxation of accrued income is made. This election is made using
IRS form 8891. If properly made, the election defers taxation of income
as long as the contributions were made while she was a resident of
Canada. If she makes the election, then in the future when she starts to
take distributions and they are taxed by Canada and the US, she can
avail herself of the foreign tax credit to avoid double taxation. She
would also have to file US Treasury form 90.22.1 to disclose foreign
bank accounts, and the appropriate disclosure should be made at the
bottom of Schedule B of Form 1040.
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Re: Foreign Spouse Tax Issues
I had pretty much concluded everything you said. The accountant
modified his position and said there is no issue about deducting her
interest/property taxes. I agree about the provincial income taxes.
Unfortunately, I think her pension contributions are "deductible" and
not "pre-tax." In working the numbers through TurboTax, I did find
the election to defer income on her RSP. Her income is under $92,000
this year. She is a teacher so the future trajectory of her income is
relatively predictable (as long as she stays in Canada) and hopefully
she will move to the USA before her income excedes the FEIE limit, but
even if it does, she will never exceed it by a lot. All else being
equal, I would prefer to use the FTC because the FEIE requires her to
declare herself as a "bona fide resident of Canada" and that is not
something I would like to explain later on to Citizenship and
Immigration Services when I am trying to argue that she is actually a
resident of the USA for immigration purposes.
Right now I'm wrestling with TurboTax, which as of the last time I
left it, is trying to give me BOTH the FEIE and FTC. How nice that
would be :). If it does, I promise beer all around for everyone in
this group. (Don't hold your breath!)
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Re: Foreign Spouse Tax Issues
I assume your reference here to being deductible are to her Canada tax
return. As stated above, they are not deductible on the US tax return.
You've lost me here. Didn't you say in your original post that she was a
legal resident of the US. I assumed you were saying that she had been
admitted to the US as a permanent resident (she has her green card).
So... what is it that you are trying to argue with CIS?
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Re: Foreign Spouse Tax Issues
Yes, I meant "deductible" on her Canadian tax return.
She has her green card, but it can be revoked. You have to actually
be a U.S. resident. There is a presumption that if you leave the USA
for over a year, you have abandoned your residency, but it's not a
bright line test where you automatically keep your green card as long
as you visit for a weekend every 51 weeks. It's a facts and
circumstances test. The most important factor is whether, when you
leave the USA, your absence is temporary and you have definite plans
to return. But there are other factors. For example, the fact that
she has a North Carolina driver's license but not an Ontario license
argues in her favor. Using her USA credit cards instead of Canadian
credit cards would be another factor. But saying she is a bona fide
Candian resident for tax purposes would not exactly help us.
Since we were married less than two years when she got her green card,
her residency is also "conditional" and we have to file after two
years to have the conditional status removed. However, I think the
test is whether the marriage itself is bona fide, a test we won't have
any trouble meeting.
Still, these are legal, not tax issues, I just don't want the two to
pull in different directions if I can help it.
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