Do you want to know your monthly payment after ARM resets?

Assuming that interest rates will remain the same as they are today
(too simplistic), the following calculator computes mortgage payments
before and after reset.
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For example, if today loan amount 450000, interest rate 4.125%, loan
is 5/1 ARM, and it is due to reset next year, then monthly payment
before reset is $2354 and after reset is $3247
Hope this helps,
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Damn. Had I only taken the fixed at 6%. My payment would be ~2720 per month. The savings is a car payment. I hope you saved that extra 354 per month, because, those of us who took a fixed mortgage, aren't going to help you.
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I will put aside my suspicions about the OP's motives for pointing to this particular calculator. At the very least, this posting provides an opportunity to make some observations about ARM calculators in general. IMHO, anyone who is seriously interested in an ARM calculator would be wise to do a Google search.
Yes, those are the results if you enter a maturity term of 30 years and a loan age of 4 years. But I question whether the calculator is working correctly.
The fixed-term and variable-term payments (2354 and 3247) seem to be computed as if "loan amount" (450,000) is the __outstanding__ __balance__ after 4 years (loan age) of a 30-year 5/1 ARM loan; ergo, the original loan amount was 485,658.
If that's how the OP understands "loan amount" in his usage of the calculator, everything is copacetic.
That is not how I would interpret "loan amount" in the context of the other terms used by the calculator and the OP. I would think that refers to the __original__ loan amount 4 years ago. If that was 450,000, I would expect the fixed-term payment to be 2181 and the variable-term payment to be 3009, based on the same assumption about the variable-term interest rate that the calculator seems to make (see below).
In either case, what makes the OP think that the variable-term payment is relevant to his loan?
It appears that this ARM calculator assumes that the variable-term interest rate is about 7.48% -- at least today, Aug 15. We would have to wait until tomorrow, next week or next month to see if that rate changes or if it is merely a constant in the calculator. (I am ass-u- me-ing that the javascript code for the calculator is not open- source.)
Of course, the variable interest rate of ARMs can be based on any number of indexes. Moreover, the spread (margin) and any caps depend on the lender's policies and requirements. So I don't think we can expect the ARM calculator recommended by the OP to be representative of all ARM loans.
If this is an existing loan, as the OP implies by a loan age of 4 years, the OP should look at the terms of his loan for those parameters. Then ARMed ;-) with the proper parameters, the OP would be well-advised to search for a more fully-functional online ARM calculator, which permits the user to control those parameters.
Nevertheless, this exposes the biggest flaw in the OP's assumption that any ARM calculator "computes mortgage payments before and after reset". Since no one can predict the future behavior the ARM index, no one can really predict the (initial) interest rate for the variable term. (Unless, of course, the loan agreement guarantees an initial variable-term rate. I've never heard of that, though.)
IMHO, a "proper" design for an ARM calculator would use Monte Carlo simulation to estimate the varying interest rates over the full variable term, based on historical behavior. Even that creates a misleading illusion of accuracy. But when properly explained in statistical terms, I think it prepares the borrower better for what might lie ahead.
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Yes it does. You could compare calculator at
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the one on
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cause, this one is more complicated to use because it is only forFRM, but you can play with it.You can also compare with Bloomberg tools of you have a subscription.
Yes, "Loan Amount" is *current* loan balance, not the original loan amount.
Well, the assumption is ARM index is 1 year LIBOR (which is majority of Hybrid ARM loans), and loan margin is 2.25% (which is default for LIBOR indexed prime loans).
Obviously, you do not know what interest rate will be at the time of reset. But if you make a very simple (and simplistic) assumption that interest rates will remain unchanged, i.e. they will be exactly as they are today, then the calculator gives you an answer.
It is just a tool, not a garantee on a future monthly payment.
If you know, a better ARM calculator please post a link.
Best, Martin
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Thanks for that explanation. I am curious: where you did find that explanation. I looked "high and low" for a link that would explain it, to no avail.
Yes, and that is the (necessary) assumption that all ARM calculators make -- at least all of them that I have used.
My point was: since I saw no way to change the interest-related assumptions (index rate and margin) and since I saw no explanation of the calculator's assumptions (at the very least), anyone's reliance on the calculator to "computes mortgage payments before and after reset" (your words) would be misplaced, IMHO.
If you had said "it gives you 'some idea' of the payment after the fixed period", I might have let it go, especially if you had elaborated on the interest-related assumptions, as you explained above. (Thanks again.)
I think that goes without saying. But I know many people who might not realize that, so perhaps it should be said.
Just about any of the first ones that Google finds with a search key of "ARM calculator" (without quotes). The important thing is: we should be able to input the index (or initial variable rate) and the margin. Most calculators expect rate; some provide a menu of indexes.
But stay away of any calculator that requires that your "register" in order to use it. There are plenty of good ones that don't.
Another unstated caveat, which might be obvious: the user should pay attention to the "jurisdiction" of the loan calculator. Most of the ones I find in Google are tailored for US loans (and similar ones). I don't know if Google tailors its search to the country of origin (which it can try to infer from the IP address). But Canadians need a very different calculator (just add Canada to the seach key). And I believe that Brits might need a different calculator sometimes(!). I have found two different methods for computing payments in use in the UK. I don't know which is prevalent, or if one is simply wrong.
Anyway, I'm probably beating a dead horse. I think you and I see eye- to-eye. I was just reacting to the over-simplification of your posting and the calculator. I thought it was a good opportunity to raise the awareness of some relevant issues for the casual lurker.
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It's not too bad, if I wrote this calculator, I'd add a column to how the assumed rates, i.e. the rate today, showing the index, and the margin. Then if you want to get whacky, allow for the user to input a prediction, assuming rates will go up from here or down. Amount has only one M, by the way.
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Well, US hybrid ARMs have too many parametes: * initial period when the rate is fixed -- most common are 3, 5, 7, and 10 years * subsequent reset period -- most common are 1 year and 6 months reset * initial rate adjustment cap, subsequent rate adjustment cap, and life cap -- most common are 2 - 2 - 6 and 5 - 2 - 5 * interest only period lenghth -- either 10 years or equal to initial fixed rate period. * loan index -- COFI, LIBOR, or Treasury, etc. * loan margin -- 2.25%, 2.75%, etc. I do not want to mention Pay Options with paymet caps and negative amortization. We are talking about prime loans only. Some loans have interest after reset that is equal to loan index + margin, yet other round the interest rate to the closest 1/2, or 1/4, or 1/8.
-- Martin
Would you find it useful to have a calculator that allows to enter all possible parametes? Most people do not know whether they have 5/1 2-2-6 or 5/1 5-2-5.
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