Car Deduction under LLC

Nov 03, 2006 5 Replies

Hello, Thanks for looking, and I Thank You in advance for contributing your suggestions. I intend to set up a real estate llc. Since I anticipate I will make numerous trips to the property to meet potential tenants and for various business reasons, I think my car may qualify for a deduction. Here are my questions:



1) I am looking to buy another used car after the llc is set up. Can I deduct the used car for my business expenses? or only new car is deductable?
2) What items are eligible under this deduction? Car Depreciation, maintenance, or just a lump sum of $0.35/mile payable to me (the car owner)?
3) What evidence would IRS require me to show them that the car is used as business expense at a certain date and time?
4) Is there a better choice between Me VS The LLC as the owner of the used car? I heard if LLC is the owner, it would face more challanges in getting the financing. Also, I will need to "re-imburse" the LLC for any personal use -- getting more complicated here?
5) I also intends to spend some time at home to perform marketing work for the rental property. Therefore, can I also claim my home office as part of the deduction?
6) I heard that car deduction vary -- by weight (over 5 ton), by luxury? I am looking to buy either a used lexus sedan, or a used camry. Unless there is a good reason to buy large car, then I may consider a minivan.
7) Will any of the above deduction scenarios be impacted if I were to contract the rental property to a property management company? Thanks for helping!



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It doesn't matter if it's new or used, when you buy it, it's "new" to the business. Now, you can't deduct teh purchase price of the vehicle as an expense, it gets depreciated (expensed) over a number of years.

The mileage rate for 2007 was just released, and baring any huricane in the gulf, it's going to be 48.5 cents per business mile. Your other option would be to deduct actual expenses and depreciation. If you don't use that vehicle 100% for business purposes, you will have to prorate the expenses.

A mileage log works best. You can get them for a few bucks at Office Depot or the like.

Insurance is generally higher for a business owned vehicle. There may be higher fees set by the state/county/city for business licensing and permits, etc.

Yup. You wouldn't reimburse the business, you would only take the deductions based on a percentage of business miles against total miles. The rest are non-deductible, and raise your taxable income.

Home office deductions for rental property are a hard sell in an audit. The rules for a home office are a defined space that is used ~regularly~ and ~exclusively~. While you can easily carve out something that looks like an office and use it exclusively as an office, the "regularly" part is questionable for rental activities that, what, maybe requires opening a few envelopes with checks, and paying a half dozen bills a month. How many rental properties you have, and the actual amount of time you will put toward this activity will determine if you can claim a home office.

The lexus sedan, camery or mini-van will fall under the regular vehicle rules for depreciation, and if you broach the "luxury" limits (a whopping $14,800) your depreciation gets limited.

Yup. There isn't any huge need for an office if someone else does the work, and the amount of travel would be much less if you weren't "active" in the business. You also run the risk of not being able to deduct losses (because you are passive) in the rental activity. Consult a local CPA or EA about your options on the vehicle and home office as well as what and when you record income and what are the deductible expenses for rental activities.

-- Paul Thomas, CPA snipped-for-privacy@bellsouth.net

I had thought a home office deduction was in connection with the active conduct of your trade or business? Would that mean it does not apply to a passive activity such as managing rental property? __ Art Kamlet ArtKamlet @ AOL.com Columbus OH K2PZH

Both prior responses offer good information about the questions the OP asked. I have a question for the OP. How is the property going to get into the LLC? It's often difficult to get a mortgage lender to lend to an LLC, even if you, the member, offer to cosign the loan. If you purchase yourself subject to a mortgage and quit claim it into the LLC, then you're going to be in violation of your mortgage loan contract. If you own the property outright not subject to a mortgage then this doesn't apply.

Paul, Thanks a lot for the insightful information! I really appreciate it. Would you mind helping me with a few clarifications?

1) If I buy a vehicle, I am sure it is going to be a mix use for both business and personal, probably 60% personal. Will the tax deduction be different, if the vehicle is registered under LLC compared to under my own name but claims business milage? Till now, I am not really clear as what items of vehicle deduction can be claimed for business purpose -- milage claim, gas and regular maintenance (thought this is already included in Milage claim), depreciation (so I get only 40% depreciation according to business usage?). 2) I intend to use create web site to market my property. In this case, I will imagine there will be more intense start up work to develop and market the website. Can I claim expense from the work (by hours) I put in? ? I thought if I do not claim this, I would still have to contract someone to work on this, might as well let me the business owner get the money. I would imagine this will fall under the category of marketing the rental property, which includes paying for brochures etc. Thanks a Lot! Shawn

Only to the extent you pay yourself for it, and you have to report that income. So no, you can't.

Whoever gets the money pays income tax on it.

Seth

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