Gift Tax Limit

I was talking to someone who said his accountant told him that he could take advantage of the $5 million lifetime unified credit and not die by the end of 2012. This would be done by making a gift in that sum, and even if he dies in a later year when the lifetime credit is lower, there's no more tax.

I went to take a look at §2505, and that's what it looks like. But what about after 2012, when the lifetime exclusion is reduced? Will the gift be taxed in the estate when the donor dies?

Thanks for any insight you can give me. ___ Stu

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Stuart A. Bronstein
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I've read the same thing in places I'd consider reputable. The transfer would be it, until/unless a higher number were in place. (Isn't the 2012 number $5.25M?)

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JoeTaxpayer

It's $5 million plus inflation, which the IRS apparently determined (rounded to the nearest $10,000) to be $5,120,000

I've looked into it a bit more, and the way the statutes are written it looks like someone can give that amount this year. But if the lifetime exemption when he dies is lower (it's scheduled to go back to $1 million after the end of this year), his estate will have to include the gift and be taxed on it then.

I'm just curious if I'm missing something.

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Stuart A. Bronstein

I didn't read it that way. Tracking and enforcement seems impractical. I die and after non-probate items (401(k), IRAs, etc) the estate can't pay its own tax due. The paper trail is new enough that collection isn't bad. Now, I gift the kid $5M, and in 30 years, I die, penniless (perfect timing). But the kid burned through his money. Tax on the excess $4M (over the return of the $1M exemption) is $2M.

Forget the tracking for a moment, how in the world would they enforce? Of course, your record stands, and you are likely correct. But good luck clawing back decades later.

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JoeTaxpayer

In the future if the exemption is $1M and you gave $5M of lifetime exemption, then you add $4M to your estate and pay tax on it. If you don't have the money to pay it, it would be handled like anyone who can't pay their bills -- the IRS will try to levy assets, and if there are none then they just forget it as they have no choice. At least that's logical to me. But I suspect the republican strategy is to make this higher limit permanent.

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