Gifts of Present Value/Crummey Letters

Back in 1991 (when estate taxes kicked in at $600,000 of assets), my father's lawyer set up, for him, a Irrevocable Life Insurance Trust. My brother and I are the trustees. My mother is the income beneficiary and brother and I receive the remainder once they both are gone. The lawyer died about

10 years ago and I've been doing all the record keeping myself and paying the premiums with dad's gifted money, etc. My question is this: How long do I need to keep the original "Crummey Letters". These are the notifications to the beneficiaries (my mother, brother and myself) that dad has made a gift to the trust and we have the right to withdraw it within 30 days. The beneficiares then sign that they (we) received the notice. Of course we have never demanded immediate payment of the gift, because we understand that it's being used to pay the life insurance premiums. So now it's 15 years later and I have a stack of this stuff. I'd like to scan it to .pdf files. My concern is that someday the IRS will deem the life insurance as part of dad's estate because I don't have original documents to show that we had the right to withdraw the gifts along the way. It would seem to me that the real issue here is not the life insurance but whether or not the gifts were of present value. And if that is the case there must be a limit on how many years back the IRS can deem a gift as "future value" or not. Regardless of the fact that the gift is being used to buy insurance. As a side note, the current estate tax free amount is $2M and rising to, I think $3.5M soon. Even if the life insurance WAS deemed "estate taxable" because I don't have 15 year old original "Crummey Letters", it still would not push dad over the $2M. Anything can happen with estate taxes, at this point, however, so I'd like to have some handle on the "Crummey Letters" before I scan 'n shred them. So do you guys think scanning to .pdf will create potential problems?

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Reply to
D.D. Pallmer
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With THAT size of estate, don't be so cheap -- get PROFESSIONAL advice.

Reply to
sharx35

To be absoutely sure, you should keep them until after your father dies and his estate is given a clean bill of health by the IRS.

The real issue is, were the beneficiaries timely notified about their rights to withdraw the gifts, and did they actually have those rights? If no gift tax return was filed, there is technically no limit to how far back the IRS can go.

But the exemption is going back to $1,000,000 per person in

2010 or 2011. So unless your father is planning to die before that, be very careful. Stu
Reply to
Stuart A. Bronstein

I don't see the benefit in shredding this document. While a copy may preserve your legal rights, what's the big difficulty in keeping a few pieces of paper for a few years? Would you make a copy and shred this if it were a stock certificate? A notarized will? A deed? Making a backup copy to a PDF file is probably a wise idea. But destroying the original seems to have little benefit. Hank Murphy speaking only for myself

Reply to
Hank Murphy

PDF files are as good as paper. See

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. Along the righthand side of that page is a link to IRS Guidance OnElectronic Records. You must keep the PDF files as long asit would be prudent to keep paper. You are required to makesure that those PDF files are properly backed up, etc. I hope this helps.

Dave

Reply to
dmkaufmann50

Yes. Whatever medium you expect to keep .pdf on is more subject to failure than paper. Seth

Reply to
Seth Breidbart

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