Help - rental real estate depreciation is driving me nuts!

Hi,

I am trying to do my own taxes this year, after having a tax services firm do it for me for almost 10 years. I am badly stuck at Schedule E, line 20 Depreciation Expense. It looks like my situation is somewhat complicated than most rental real estate.

In summary, I purchased my primary residence in 1991 and converted it to 100% rental in1998. I sold it for a profit and exchanged it (1031 exchange) for another 100% rental in 2004.

I am somewhat daunted at the size of the IRS Publication 946 on depreciating real assets. I am hoping someone familiar with my situation can help me out. The tax software I am using is giving a number that is different from what it was in the previous years.

My question simply is what is the depreciation this year?

Thanks in advance, RT

The details:

---------------------------- Purchased primary residence 04/1991 purchase price $100K put down $20K loan of $80K

Converted to rental Jan 1998 rental income of $12K lost money every year due to depreciation+expenses

Sold in April 2004, sold for $215K paid 15K in commissions recovered $200K paid back 50K of existing loan

Used proceeds ($150K) + took a loan of $100K did a 1031 exchange to purchase another residential rental for $250K

1998-2003 return on line 20, Schedule E Depreciation Expense $3K

2004-2006 return on line 20, Schedule E Depreciation Expense $4K

Reply to
DenverAnon
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Maybe you should go back to your professional preparer.

Either you made a 1031 exchange, or you sold the old property and bought new property -- NOT both. Which was it? Did you have control of the proceeds from the sale of your old property? If so, you don't qualify for 1031 treatment.

It should be since the acquistion cost of the new property is different from the sales price of the old property.

That depends. All else being equal, I'd go with the tax software but I can't be sure because of my unanswered questions.

Reply to
Bill Brown

"DenverAnon" wrote

The short answer is that it's exactly the same as last year.

But you need to know the long answer, which will depend on so many factors that can't be covered here.

Reply to
Paul Thomas, CPA

Maybe you should ask your professional preparer for explaination. I am never amussed by preparers that simply "work their magic" and keep the taxpayer in the dark.

lighten up. the property was sold, in a manner which qualified for nonrecognition of gain under IRC 1031.

no kidding!

I am hoping someone familiar with my

what number is your tax software giving you? what input data did you give the software?

Reply to
Gil Faver

On Apr 8, 6:25 pm, "Gil Faver" > qualify for 1031 treatment.

And you know that because a person who doesn't know that depreciation goes up when tax basis goes up said so?

Reply to
Bill Brown

Do you have the depreciation schedule the tax service prepared last year? It should have the basis they were depreciating along with the ending accumulated depreciation.

1031 exchanges are complicated in their calculation of basis so I would go with the basis reported in the prior year if you can get it. They should provide you with the depreciation schedule.

With that, you should be depreciating residential rental property over

27.5 years.

It can be complicated because technically in an exchange you are supposed to depreciate the assets in layers. You calculate basis in the new asset by using book value of the old at date of exchange. You continue to depreciate the old asset on the books and depreciate the new layer from date of exchange. For that reason, I repeat that you go back to your old preparer and get the asset listing.

Reply to
Mike20878

Based on the set of information he provided, and the fact that he had used a professional tax preparer during the period of the 1031 activity.

And based on the fact I have seen rants from people who seem to get off when someone says they "sold" a property and did a "1031 exchange".

move on to his real question, or allow others to do so.

Reply to
Gil Faver

On Apr 9, 11:49 am, "Gil Faver"

Reply to
Bill Brown

I know technical jargon all too well. I also know that when someone says he "sold" property, they may not be saying "I sold property and took control of the proceeds and thus did not qualify for 1031 treatment". So while raising the point is fine, going off on a diatribe (not you, others in the past) serves no purpose. Raising the point and then not addressing the issue in the likely event that the OP simply did not get the technical jargon perfectly correct also does not help the OP with his question, or others reading the thread now or in the future.

I have seen threads in the past where the OP is frustrated because the thread degenerated into a literary discussion, rather than stating the 1031 requirements and then addressing the issue. I cringe at the though of such threads recurring.

sorry. I'm done.

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Reply to
Gil Faver

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