Lowering my tax bracket.

First of all, just to make sure, the 15% bracket is up to $33,950, and then the 25% is $33,950 to $82,250, am I right?

Are these tax brackets based off of "income", "adjusted gross income", or "taxable income"?

After using TaxAct, my: "Income" came out to $34,391. "AGI" came out to $34,298. "Taxable Income" came out to $24,948.

These figures fall into different tax brackets. If it so happens that my "Income" of $34,391 is taxed in the 25% bracket, can I put $34,391 minus $33,950 into an IRA, to bump me into the 15% bracket?

I guess the other thing to consider though is.... the first $33,950 of my $34,391 was taxed at 15%, and then the next $441 was taxed at 25%, right? So perhaps the tax benefit of contributing to my IRA to lower my tax bracket is almost negligible, right? (I'd prefer to put the money into my Roth IRA, instead, which I understand is not tax deductible).

Forgive me if these seem like basic questions. Seems pretty straightforward, I'm sure to most of you....

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martin lynch
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Taxable income. BTW, the above are for single filers.

Your marginal tax rate is 15%. Try this in your program: add an IRA deduction of $1000. Your federal tax will decrease by exactly $150.

There is also an effect on state taxes.

Yes, the tax benefit is negligible.

The above sort of analysis is useful for this kind of situation: If you're in the 15% tax bracket, long term capital gains rate is 0% for

2010. So you might want to take enough long term capital gains to get your taxable income to $33,950. If you have slightly more long term capital gains, I think only the excess above $33,950 is taxed at 15%.
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removeps-groups

Other answer was right on. I'd only add - for 2009 taxes, you can deduct just enough IRA to hit the

15%/25% line dead on, and don't deduct the rest, you can deposit the rest (up to the $5000 IRA max ($600 if you were 50 in 2009)) to a Roth. This is one of the times that a mix of Traditional and Roth can benefit. Saving you the 25%, but not 'wasting' a 15% deduction. Make sense?

Joe

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JoeTaxpayer

In some states. Pennsylvania, for instance, allows no deduction for IRA contributions.

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D.F. Manno

Right, each state is different, and some may have different IRA limits. For example the federal level may allow you to contribute and deduct 8k if the company you work for screwed up (i.e. went bankrupt), but the states probably don't allow an 8k deduction. And California had lower limits for the deduction in the good old days, so I hear, but now they conform to federal -- though I'm not sure if for the additional 3k if your company goes into bankruptcy.

And does Pennsylvania tax IRA withdrawals?

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removeps-groups

Interesting for any state that doesn't allow an IRA tax deduction. Do they have a state-only 8606 equivalent so they don't tax the money originally deposited that was state post-tax, and just tax growth? Joe

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JoeTaxpayer

No.

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D.F. Manno

The answer for NJ is "yes".

Incidentally, the NJ tax law and situation, which may be the same as others, is even complicateder.

  1. If someone lived in NJ when they contributed to a Fed-deductible IRA and is living in another state when they withdraw from it, the new state taxes them based on their IRA rules. So, if they allow the same deduction as the Feds, they will tax the entire withdrawal, even though state income tax had previously been paid on a part of it (and the tax credit for another state's tax doesn't apply).
  2. Someone who moves into NJ from a state that allowed the same deduction as the Feds gets a mini-windfall because the taxable amount of the withdrawal is based on the NJ rules, so they don't need to pay NJ tax on that part of the withdrawal that's their own contribution, even though they didn't pay state income tax on that contribution.
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Stan K

Cool. So retirees can consider Pennsylvania (in addition to Florida and Texas)! From the other post, NJ is a little bit generous too, but it's quite a nightmare to track your contributions to IRA over the years.

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removeps-groups

MA does not allow a deduction for tradition IRA contribution (even when the feds do). MA also does not allow deductions for any contribution made by or on behalf of the business owner in any qualified plan where the business owner is not a W-2 employee of the business).

It is on the taxpayer to track all these non-MA-deductible contributions.

When distributions are taken, MA deems you to be taking the contributions out first. Thus none of these distributions are taxable on the MA return until all the contributions are recovered. (So unlike the federal 8606 it is NOT pro-rata).

-- Rich Carreiro snipped-for-privacy@rlcarr.com

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Rich Carreiro

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