Montana and change of Domicile

Through my selling some land I still own in Montana I found out that the state has a notice of tax owed filed against me for the year 2000 for capital gains. I did not work in the USA in the year 2000 so the entire tax amount if for capital gains. At the time I sold my land (in the year 2000) I spoke with a tax adviser and they said that I did not have to pay capital gains in Montana if I did not live there. So I did not pay. I contacted the state revenue department and told them that i moved to thailand in 1999. They did not argue with me that I did not have to pay tax because I no longer lived in Montana. They are maintaining that since I renewed my drivers license in 1996 and I did not turn it into the state when I left then I must still pay taxes to the state. The driver's license was good for 10 years and did not expire until 2006. By this reasoning then I would have had to pay tax for all of the years up to 2006 but they are not pursuing that angle. For the proof that I have that I moved my domicile is that I rented a house in thailand in 1998. I married in march of

1999 and spent approximately 7 months in thailand. I was back and forth trying to move everything to thailand. In the year 2000 I spent about 3 months in the USA not all of which was in Montana. One of these months was to handle the sale of the real estate in question. Another month was for a vacation to show my wife around the USA and the last month was for xmas. In the year 2000 I bought land and built a house in thailand. I also started a business in thailand. All of this shows that I had no intention of living in Montana but the Revenue department still claims i owe the tax because I did not turn my driver's license in to the state. This seems like a pretty stupid arguement to me since I bet that 99.9% of the people leaving montana to live in another state do not turn in their driver's license to the state. In contrast many states will give you a driver's license by turning in a valid drivers license from your previous state. As a matter of fact that is the policy here in thailand. You show them your valid license from another country and they give you a license without taking a test in thailand. Now I want to sell the land that I am gaining from the settlement of a lawsuit that I discussed in another thread. I am told that I can pay the 2000 tax under protest and go ahead with the sale of the land. What good will this do ??? Once they get their hands on the money how am I going to get it back ? Is anyone familar enough with this type of situation to offer any advice ?? Any help is greatly appreciated.

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wolfman
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When you renewed your driver's license, I'm assuming that you did so in Montana in 2006. The State then has a point - you didn't completely abandon your ties. Had you "renewed" your license in another state (by obtaining a license from the other state), that would have helped. What about your voter's registration?

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D. Stussy

Any gains from sale of real property in Montana (if it is like most states) will have its source in Montana and therefore will be taxable by Montana whether you are a resident or not, possibly with an offsetting credit from the state where you are a resident (so you don't have to pay tax in two different states on the same income).

-Mark Bole

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Mark Bole

I think you've missed the point somewhere. You can forget about "domicile". It matters not that you didn't live in Montana, nor even had other income in Montana, or anywhere for that matter. What matters is that you sold Montana land and that sale, no matter who you are, is taxable. I'm a resident of Alabama, but if and when I sell some of the family land in Georgia, I will owe Georgia tax on that. ChEAr$, Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

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Harlan Lunsford

I suspect that if you earned money in Thailand or sold land in Nevada, Alabama would want you to declare that, based on your resident status.

Reply to
DF2

Yes, if Harlan sells his Georgia land, both Alabama and Georgia will tax the gain. Alabama (the residence state) will allow him credit for the tax he pays to Georgia (the source state), limited to the proportion of his Alabama tax liability that relates to that item of income. That's the way it usually works, although some pairs of states stand in a reverse relationship (where the source state grants the credit), and some pairs of states have reciprocal agreements limiting the source state's taxation of income of residents of the reciprocal state. If he has income from a foreign country or a state with no individual income tax (such as Nevada), Alabama will still tax the income on a residence basis. In that case, of course, there would be no offsetting credit. The OP did not state whether he was subject to an individual income tax as a Thai resident in 2000, or whether he paid any tax to Thailand on the gain from the sale of the Montana land. If he did, of course, he would get a foreign tax credit on his U.S. individual income tax return. States generally do not allow any credit for taxes paid to foreign countries, however. Katie in San Diego

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Katie

Thanks to every one for the advice. I did not have any other income for the Year 2000 in the USA or thailand so that is not an issue for me. I injured my back in 1999 so did not work in 2000 and I did not get my new factory built until December 2000 so no income until 2001. I just sent an email asking what kind of settlement we can make to resolve this. I hope they come back with a discount.

Reply to
wolfman

No income at all? Interest? Dividends? How did you pay your living expenses in 2000? (That's a rhetorical question .)

There is no reason why Montana should compromise the tax liability. It sounds to me as though that assessment is long since final and there is nothing to settle at that level. My guess is that it is a collector you are talking to, not an auditor, and that person may be able to abate any penalties that were assessed. It's not likely that he or she can abate any of the tax or interest on the tax.

Good luck.

Katie

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Katie

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