OOPS -- mistake contributing to Roth IRA

A few days ago, I put $1100 into my Roth IRA. This is within my 2016 contribution limits. But I forgot that contributing that $1100 to my Roth instead of my traditional IRA means another $800 of my Social Security benefits are taxable. So I'd like to undo the Roth contribution and then turn around and contribute that $1100 to my traditional IRA.

The Roth IRA is at Vanguard and is worth about $8100. The $1100 went into BND and is the only money in that fund. My $1100 in BND is now worth about $3.00 less than when I invested; the Roth IRA as a whole has also declined, though I'm not sure of the exact amount.

Can I just take the $1100 out of the Roth and put it in the traditional? Or do I have to go through the whole recharacterization thing? If so, I think I'll probably just eat the taxes on the $800 and chalk this up as a learning experience.

Reply to
Stan Brown
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I made a similar mistake a while ago and found that the people at Vanguard are amazingly well informed about this stuff. Call them up and explain the problem and they'll tell you what they can do. I think they were able to back out my money and recharacterize it retroactively since it was within the tax year.

Reply to
John Levine

You transfer the amount plus earnings (easily determined as it's a new fund), and the entire $1100 is considered contributed to the second IRA.

I _think_ Vanguard would be helpful, although (not a tax matter) they have recently (this decade, anyway) been required to increase the commissions charged.

-- Arthur L. Rubin, AFSP, CRTP, Brea, CA

Reply to
Arthur Rubin

The what? Vanguard doesn't charge any commissions for transactions on their mutual funds. They do charge commissions if you buy and sell stocks (other than their ETFs) or someone else's mutual funds.

As I said, I had a similar problem a few years back, and one phone call got it resolved.

Reply to
John Levine

Thanks, John and Arthur, for replying.

Wait times at Vanguard have been ridiculous lately, but I'll try calling them as you suggest.

Reply to
Stan Brown

You were absolutely right in your advice, John. I was apprehensive, because getting a rollover letter of acceptance in a form that Mass Mutual will accept has been a nightmare (and I still don't have it). But after the latest episode of that, I broached the recharacterization and the guy said, "let me transfer you to a recharacterization specialist". She did everything while I was on the phone, confirming each step with me. And it all shows in my pending transactions this evening.

And there are no tax consequences. She says I'll get a 1099-R at the end of the year and I'll have to file an 8606, but I saved a couple of hundred bucks in taxes on Social Security.

Reply to
Stan Brown

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