Penalty for state overwithholding?

An interesting question came into the office the other day. The two clients are newly married. One of them has back federal tax issues from joint returns in a previous marriage; the claim of "innocent spouse" was denied and this client's refunds are applied to this back debt. Now that this client has remarried, the other is now an injured spouse and they must file the appropriate paperwork to make sure that the second client's refund is NOT applied to the first's back tax liability. They've already adjusted the first client's federal withholding to be "just right" for that client's share of their current tax liability, so the second client should get most of their federal refund back. There are no back taxes owed to the state.

Of course they can avoid the injured spouse hassle and just file MFS. Alas, there's enough for one to itemize, but not both. They suggest the following strategy for tax year 2008: the first client cranks up their state withholding (to the tune of $400 per month) and thus have sufficient "taxes paid" in 2008 to itemize as well (in about the amount of the standard deduction for MFS) - then they both itemize on MFS returns. Both fully understand that the resulting large state refund will be taxable income the next year. They're willing to do this for as long as it takes (for the former spouse to make good on the debt, to get an OIC accepted, or whatever).

Any problems with this? Do states penalize for substantial overwithholding (the state in question is OK)? Will the IRS see this as an illegal dodge? Inquiring minds want to know...

Reply to
John D. Goulden
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I don't understand how this will help anything, other than shift a few thousand of income from one year to the next (not useful if in the same or higher tax bracket the following year). Between the two of them, they either have enough Schedule A items to benefit from itemizing, or they don't, in which case they should be taking the standard deduction, whether MFJ or MFS.

Better yet, just have the second client adjust his or her withholding also, to eliminate any sizable refund or even have a small balance due.

-Mark Bole

Reply to
Mark Bole

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I'm with Mark on this one - have your clients CUT their withholding so they get a small or no refund - or better yet, have them owe about $500. They can then invest the extra cash - even if it's just in a CD at the bank - and have enough to pay the balance due.

And don't count on the first expouse taking care of this. If that was going to happen it should have by now. My bet is that the former spouse is counting on your client taking care of some of that old liability, but who knows.

Lastly, can anyone tell me PLEASE why the whole world thinks a BIG refund is gift from heaven? It's YOUR MONEY to start with - I've told more than one client that I'd be more than happy to have them come by every Friday and leave a couple of hundred bucks with me and that I'd give it back to them on April 15. Oddly, no one has taken me up on this - maybe they like the IRS better than me!

Gene E. Utterback, EA, RFC, ABA

Reply to
eagent

This is the same reason that many people who don't have to write a check to the IRS in April say "I didn't have to pay any taxes this year".

That reason, however, is beyond me.

Reply to
Gil Faver

If MFJ gets a better result than MFS, why aren't they just planning their taxes so that at the end of the year they owe the maximum allowable amount before penalties kick-in or just don't have a refund?

Reply to
Alan

If mfj produces a lower tax - fed & state combined you should go that route

generally, overwithholding is not a good idea

better option is to do some tax planning to have small balances due

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Reply to
Benjamin Yazersky CPA

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