RMD Checks to charity not posted till after Jan 1

I sent several checks directly to charities from my Fidelity IRA in Dec for my 2016 RMD so as to eliminate having to pay any taxes on my 2016 RMD. 4 of those checks were not posted till Jan and my 2016 1099-R does not show my full RMD. How do I handle this for my 2016 tax return? Phil

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Retired
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For my 2016 RMD I sent checks directly from my Fidelity IRA to several charity's in Dec. but 3 of them were not posted until Jan. Because of this, my 1099R does not show my full RMD. How do I handle my 2016 taxes to account for this?

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Retired

The key date is when Fidelity issued the checks, not when the charity cashed it. If the issue date was very early in January, you may be able to show that Fidelity received your instructions with enough time to act in December. Usually, you can get relief from penalties if you can demonstrate that the failure to meet a requirement was due to reasonable cause. See the instructions for Form 5329.

Ira Smilovitz, EA

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ira smilovitz

This was opened like a normal checking account within the IRA. I write/send the checks to the charity myself.

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Retired

Then the date you wrote and mailed the checks determines timeliness. You'll probably have to complete Form 5329 to request a waiver of the excess accumulation tax.

You may also have a problem on your 2017 return when Fidelity reports a larger distribution on Form 1099-R.

Ira Smilovitz, EA

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ira smilovitz

I don't understand what you did.

(1) First you say "I sent checks directly from my Fidelity IRA" which sounds like the Fidelity actually issued and mailed the checks to the charities.

(2) Now you say "I write/send the checks to the charity myself." That means to me that you actually wrote the checks your self showing a date for 2016 and then mailed them yourself to the individual charities. If that was the case, then a copy of your canceled check showing the 2016 should be enough to satisfy the requirements that the payments to the charities were made in 2016

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Arnie Goetchius

Here is the way I see your situation - and it isn't what you want to hear:

By dating and mailing checks in 2016 you met the timeliness requirements for 2016 charitable contributions.

Fidelity received your instructions to make the distributions when they received and cashed the checks you wrote in January 2017 so the distributions are 2017 distributions.

The way the timing worked out, you had charitable contributions in 2016 and IRA distributions in 2017.

Since the distributions are 2017 distributions, you do not have

2016 QCDs. You do however have 2016 'Gifts to Charity' that can be deducted on Schedule A (which may or may not do you any good). For 2016 you also did not meet the RMD requirement. You should file Form 5329, explain what happened, make it clear that the missing 2016 RMDs were taken in January 2017, and request a waiver of the excess accumulation tax.
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BignTall

I think I agree in part and disagree in part. There is no QCD because one of the requirements was not met. Specifically, the one that says the distribution would have been included in gross income except for the exclusion. In this instance, the distribution did not occur in 2016. It is a 2017 taxable distribution. As such, there is no 2016 QCD. There is no 2016 distribution as the funds were not withdrawn until 2017. I believe the IRS will waive the 50% excess accumulation penalty due to circumstances.

This still leaves the issue as to whether there was a completed gift to a charity in 2016. If the check had been drawn against a regular demand checking account, then posting it in 2016 would have led to a 2016 charitable deduction. But this check was not drawn against such an account. As such, there could not be constructive receipt by the charity nor can the mailing in 2016 be considered delivery. The funds did not become available to the charity until they were distributed by the IRA trustee.

In my view, there is no charitable deduction available for 2016. There is still going to be a requirement to take a 2017 MRD. A QCD can be setup for the 2017 MRD to avoid being taxed. The open question, is whether the late 2016 MRD taken in January can be considered a 2017 QCD. This requires we look at one of the other QCD requirements. The one that says you would have been able to deduct this payment as a charitable contribution had it not come from the IRA. I believe it passes that test because as stated previously, mailing it in 2016 is not considered delivery when the check is not drawn against a demand account. It would be a charitable deduction in 2017 but for the exclusion. So, unless the maximum of $100,000 is hit, the January distribution and the 2017 MRD can both be QCDs.

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Alan

Given the available, incomplete information, I guess I will still stick with the opinion that the charitable contributions were made in 2016. The OP stated that some checks did get posted in 2016 and he appeared surprised that others were not posted until 2017. The implication I drew was that the charities received the checks in 2016 and some were slow to cash them. If a confirmation letter shows a 2016 donation date, I think the OP will have a hard time convincing the IRS the donation can be part of a 2017 QCD.

The OP also stated "This was opened like a normal checking account within the IRA" so it isn't at all clear to me that the checks weren't written on a demand account. An IRA is a type of trust and trusts have demand accounts all the time and all the custodian did here was allow the IRA holder to also write checks.

Even if the check wasn't drawn on a demand account, it was drawn on an account that is functionally equivalent to a demand account and I doubt that the IRS tries to make a distinction any more. A lot of charitable contributions have been made by people writing and mailing checks drawn on investment and savings accounts of many types for decades now. I've never heard of a charitable contribution mailed in December not being considered as a December contribution because a valid check that cleared normally in January was drawn on the "wrong type" of account. Obviously, I may be totally wrong and ignorant with this analysis - if others have different experiences, I would love to hear about them.

To me, it looks like the OP did the things necessary to make sure all the charitable contributions were 2016 contributions. Trying to reclassify some of the contributions so they can be part of 2017 QCDs seems unlikely to hold up if the tax return gets examined.

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BignTall

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