Now the Long Run Looks Riskier, Too (New York Times article by Hulbert)

Now the Long Run Looks Riskier, Too By MARK HULBERT New York Times, March 28, 2009

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CAN investors count on the stock market to produce handsome long-term returns?

The conventional answer has been, emphatically, yes. After all, despite downturns like the one we?ve endured recently, stocks over periods of 30 or more years have almost always outperformed other asset classes. And numerous studies have found that the stock market?s long-term returns have tended to fall within a surprisingly narrow range.

But those studies were based on the stock market?s past performance, which, famously, provides no guarantee of future performance. New research, using different statistical techniques aimed at capturing the uncertainty of future returns, suggests that the market may be much riskier than many investors have understood.

The new study, which began circulating last month as a working paper, is titled ?Are Stocks Really Less Volatile in the Long Run?? Its authors are Lubos Pastor, a finance professor at the University of Chicago Booth School of Business, and Robert F. Stambaugh, a finance professor at the Wharton School of the University of Pennsylvania. A copy is at

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The many people who think stocks are "safe" if only your time horizon is long enough are wrong. They used to cite a 10-year period, but given recent experience 15-years now seems to be a favored number.

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Beliavsky
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Curves in Bogle's first book imply that you needed a 17 year period to insure that stocks won. (I don't have the book at hand but I think that he was referring to the S&P 500)

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Avrum Lapin

At current prices, the risk in owning stocks is lower than the past 20 years.

-- Ron

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Ron Peterson

What is "investors"? What is "the stock market"?

It seems to me that the statistical mumbo-jumbo is what led to the financial crisis, since it is, in a word, false.

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dapperdobbs

THe risk is in how much you pay. It is not in volatility. According to my calculations, considering ifnlation and earnings growth, stocks are now about 70% cheaper than they were in year 1999. Hence, the risk is less.

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Igor Chudov

"Igor Chudov" wrote

But in 1999 stocks were over-priced by more than 100%. Companies that never had earnings and are now long since gone were going through the roof. Polls had people believing that total returns would top 30% from then on. So, yes, I think the risk is slightly less. What bothers me most is the government/private partnership, the disappearance of M3, the overtime at the currency printing presses. Here is a link to an interesting site:

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Alvin

If you think of businesses in aggregate as machines that produce profits from GDP, as a percentage of GDP, due to their economic positions, then inflation is not a big concern as far as their ability to extract profits is concerned. In other words, if a Big Mac would cost $3,680.00, instead of $3.68, McDonalds would likely still be making money. So stocks are to a large extent inflation protected, some better than others.

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Igor Chudov

Gosh, I thought the problem in the premise was defining "handsome" as an adjective to long-term returns. I don't know what that means now, in the past, or in the future. Are stocks riskier when compared to other investments? What kinds of risks are being considered?

Elizabeth Richardson

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Elizabeth Richardson

"Igor Chudov" wrote

Just not for the last decade or so :-) You have to stop and smell the roses. When the markets are in turmoil globally and people are losing their jobs, property valuations are in freefall, not a lot of people will be able to pay $3,680 for a Big Mac. What happens to McDonald's then?

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Alvin

You are looking at the past, and recalling how a lot of people lost their money by paying too much for all sorts of things in the heat of the frenzy.

I am asking you to look at the future and note that those things are finally much cheaper, on comparable basis. Therefore they are less risky and will earn more money on every dollar invested.

As for McDonalds, they are doing very well and are not even losing business, according to what I have read.

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Igor Chudov

"Igor Chudov" wrote

Actually, I'm focusing on the future. I'm wondering what effect calling in all of the money that's being printed will have on equity prices. A shrinking money supply comes with subdued liquidity, inflation, and higher interest rates to put the brakes on inflation.

I agree to a point but I think it's relative. The are cheaper in dollar terms but there are so many more dollars these days.

Walmart is too. I've noticed a big increase in Friendly's breaskfast crowds on the weekends as well. It must be the new "going out to eat" since breakfast is usually the cheapest meal.

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Alvin

Adjusted for dividends and inflation, the S&P 500 was flat from June

1901 through September 1921. That's slightly over 20 years.

How quickly memory fades...

--Bill

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Bill Woessner

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