Sigh... I think my 16+ year Quicken relationship is about to end

Good question. The main reason that I went to WLM was that it seemed to be the most up to date MS mail program for Windows XP. I don't know about whether that applies to VISTA, too. I stand to be corrected on this, though.

The problem is people who are deliberately and intentionally rude to others in the group.

How sad that someone would think that Windows Live Mail was a decent newsreader. It truly is "eternal September!"

Yes, and the rules of netiquette haven't changed nor will they.

"Sharx35" wrote in news:nCF1m.33882$PH1.2387 @edtnps82:

I use Eudora for email and Xnews for news. It works for me. Usually I can even decipher the real text embedded with html tags (for those who don't know it, html is really plain text embellished with plain text "instructions" of how to "render" the embedded plain text). I consider newsgroups the transmittal of plain text information. If there is more, sorry, I can't perceive that part as yet.

I don't think that I will try Windows Live or dead Mail yet. If and when I get convinced that it is really better for me, I will. I do use other Windows Live stuff.

NOTE to lovers of "new" technology: Microsoft has annaounced it is abandoning the "proprietary" format of Hotmail, and from now on will use the "new" technology of authenticated pop and smtp servers for email. This to enhance security ...

USENET is and always was a pure ASCII network.

HTML is for hypertext, hence its name.

So what?

Andrew DeFaria wrote in news:4a47a374$0$48217$815e3792 @news.qwest.net:

There are always people who know better. Netiquette was a generally agreed upon way to converse. Foul language ( for lack of a better description) has its place, but usenet may not always be it.

Now, as far as newsreaders is concerned - I really tried reading these discussions in Live Mail, but I think it is clumsy, slows me down, and takes up more real estate on my laptop screen than I care about. So I may again quote inadvertently inappropriate portions of html posts, and I apologize to the group's members in advance.

Han wrote: "Sharx35" < snipped-for-privacy@hotmail.com> wrote in news:nCF1m.33882$PH1.2387@edtnps82: technical Neanderthal Cro-Magnons is what text users are. I use Eudora for email and Xnews for news. It works for me. No sir it doesn't work for you. If it had worked for you you'd have no complaint. However, you have a complaint about it not working. You have two options as I see it. You can solve your problem by getting more capable software (or perhaps petitioning Xnews to add some functionality - good luck with that). Or you can shut the f*ck up. The option you were trying to do is to tell the rest of the world to change to accommodate the deficiency in your chosen software. That ain't gonna be happening from me nor  probably from many others. Besides do you really wish to wage a campaign to tell everybody else how you want them to post?

Usually I can even decipher the real text embedded with html tags (for those who don't know it, html is really plain text embellished with plain text "instructions" of how to "render" the embedded plain text). I consider newsgroups the transmittal of plain text information. If there is more, sorry, I can't perceive that part as yet.

And there's the essence of the problem. You consider it should only be X therefore you run around to tell everybody else to only use X because your software can only handle X and you want everybody to accommodate  you. I don't think that I will try Windows Live or dead Mail yet. We're talking news, not mail. While Windows Live may be used for news (I don't know - I use Thunderbird and I don't have Windows anymore) it is hardly the only slightly modern news reader you could chose from. If and when I get convinced that it is really better for me, I will. I do use other Windows Live stuff.

Again, you have perceived a problem with your news reader of choice. If you wish to solve that problem you can see some options above. If you don't want to solve the problem then why the f*ck are you complaining? NOTE to lovers of "new" technology: Microsoft has annaounced it is abandoning the "proprietary" format of Hotmail, and from now on will use the "new" technology of authenticated pop and smtp servers for email. This to enhance security ...

And is totally irrelevant to your argument. I don't use Microsoft, Hotmail is not news and this has nothing to do with the issue at hand. You have a problem that you don't want to solve save to berate others which shows you have a social and personal problem too. That's what's happening here.

Han wrote: Andrew DeFaria < snipped-for-privacy@DeFaria.com> wrote in news:4a47a374$0$48217$ snipped-for-privacy@news.qwest.net: The "rules of netiquette" are nothing more than a bunch a rules some people have made up to control others. They really mean nothing except one groups <b>opinion</b> of how the world should be. Therefore they carry exactly the same weight as any other groups opinion. The funny thing little man hiding in anonymity is that you have yet to realize this.<br> There are always people who know better. Did I say anybody knows better than anybody else? No I didn't. Again you are making irrelevant arguments and attempting to put words in my mouth. Such arguments fail to be persuasive.

Netiquette was a generally agreed upon way to converse. Well I never saw the vote wherein I said I agreed to it. Having not agreed to it I do not feel bound by it's attempt to be anything more than yet another statement. Foul language ( for lack of a better description) has its place, but usenet may not always be it.

My point, which you failed to grasp or acknowledge was that f*ck is really no different than f*ck. And I don't have a problem with adult language - why do you? Now, as far as newsreaders is concerned - I really tried reading these discussions in Live Mail, but I think it is clumsy, slows me down, and takes up more real estate on my laptop screen than I care about. Anything new will feel clumsy and unfamiliar at first. And besides, WLM is not the only news reader in town.

Andrew DeFaria wrote in news:4a47a647$0$89864$815e3792 @news.qwest.net:

Andrew, you're becoming pathetic. And yes, noew I am berating you. By your own admission you cut the plain text portion from your posts, and I believe it is just because you like to make people who can't/won't read html feel inferior. I am doing my best to keep a civil conversation, but you are using language that is unnecessary. I started out by referring to your good deeds, but apparently that is not enough for King Andy. Everyone has to follow YOUR rules. Well, tough. If you are now misquoted because of your html garbage, the joke is on you.

I get a kick out of someone posting after he's been killfiled, shows extreme ignorance of Usenet as does posting HTML or using a real name and email address.

Netiquette is just etiquitte for Usenet and email, and like etiquette, it's no more than basic courtesy which has developed over many years to allow people to live together civilly.

Andrew apparently cares nothing for courtesy to others as his posts show, he's best killfiled and ignored just as you'd send a spoiled brat to his room.

Andrew DeFaria wrote in news:4a45978f$0$89388$ snipped-for-privacy@news.qwest.net:

Great, I get preached to about not using Windows by a linux user too stupid to figure out news posting.

Clue: I've been using *nix systems since they ran on PDP11/70s at Bell Labs.

Get over yourself.

Andrew DeFaria wrote in news:4a481524$0$48218$ snipped-for-privacy@news.qwest.net:

There might have even been something helpful there. No one will ever know.

No, you'll never know because you have crappy software. Everybody else already knows...

Andrew DeFaria wrote in news:4a482d59$0$89872$ snipped-for-privacy@news.qwest.net:

Man, I hope there was nothing valuable there.

Man, I hope there was nothing valuable there.

Why, there wasn't anything valuable here: 

Man, I hope there was nothing valuable there.

Xnews has a very flexible filtering scheme; use it and your USENET experience will be much more pleasant.

Bert Hyman wrote in news:Xns9C39658B990CVeebleFetzer@

Who's to say I'm not enjoying myself?

I've had him on ignore for a long while. He may have nuggets of info, but he is way too full of himself, and that gets in the way of his attempts to share information.

On

Check your premises. Who the f*ck said I was here to share information with your silly ass? Or anybody else here anyway?

"Sharx35" wrote in news:9Jj4m.33530$Db2.2016@edtnps83:

Eudora 7.1.0.9 runs on just about anything. Only drawback is that it doesn't do other characters sets well, or at all. Fine with English, French, Dutch etc