Extraordinary Dividends in a Trust

Has anyone had occasion to deal with an "extraordinary dividend" received by a Trust? Specifically, I'm looking at IRC 643(a)(4).

A "promoter" is asserting the position that "extraordinary dividends (as determined under state law) would be allocable to principal AND not be taxed. I can agree with the first piece, but not the second.

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bc
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Seems to me that if it is a return of capital, it lowers the basis and is not taxed (other than indirectly when the asset is eventually sold.) Otherwise as you suspect it's a taxable dividend. I don't think we have enough info to tell which it is.

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John Levine

On the IRS website the term "extraordinary dividends" seems to have a specific meaning, but it's vague. I wasn't able to figure out if that has anything to do with whether or not it's taxable. I hope someone else can figure it out better than I could.

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Stuart O. Bronstein

According to Stuart O. Bronstein snipped-for-privacy@lexregia.com:

A little googlage finds 26 USC 1059 which explains it all if the recipient of the dividend is a corporation.

An extraordinary dividend is more than 5% for preferred stock, 10% otherwise, with some rules about aggregating over 85 days, or over a year where the total exceeds 20%. It looks like in most cases it's treated as half dividend, half return of capital, with a long list of exceptions.

26 CFR 1.643(a)-4 has a rule if the recipient is a trust.

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Otherwise, I don't see anything at all. Guess it's just a dividend unless there is some other return of capital rule I don't understand.

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John Levine

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