form 2210 (regular method) and withholding

Feb 12, 2009 3 Replies

When filling out form 2210 (underpayment of estimated tax), the regular method (part IV), line 19 (estimated tax paid and withheld) how do you handle withholding?



The instructions say


For withheld federal income tax and excess social security or tier 1 railroad retirement tax (RRTA), you are considered to have paid one- fourth of these amounts on each payment due date unless you can show otherwise.



If you treat withholding as paid for estimated tax purposes when it was actually withheld, you must check box D in Part II and complete and attach Form 2210 to your return.


So it seems you can divide your withholding and excess social security by four and be done with it. In a way this does not make sense because the first quarter is 3 months, the second quarter is 2 months, the third quarter is 3 months, the fourth quarter is 4 months, but I guess that's what the law says.



But what about "unless you can show otherwise"? Your federal (and for that matter state) tax withheld may have dropped during the year because you had a paycut or lost your job, and/or you increased your



401K contributions (probably a good way to pick up stocks on the cheap). Is the some formula one could use, like divide withholding by x1 for quarter 1, by x2 for quarter 2, etc?

Second, if you count withholding as an estimated payment, meaning that your 4/15 paycheck counts towards your Q1 payment, then what about your 1/15 paycheck from the following year? Does it count towards your Q4 payment? If so, we have the possibility of double=dipping, because the 1/15 payment of next year also counts for Q1 of next year's form 2210.


You either apply 1/4 of the annual withholding to each of the ES periods (yes, I know they're not equal) or you apply withholding to the periods when it was actually withheld. IOW, paystubs.

It's the withholding relative to the income incurred in the current year. Personally I would use the full witholding on the first paycheck even if it included last year's income (unless it was obvious), and then apply the remainder of the yea'rs withholding in the 4th quarter. (so the total matches your W-2)... Mark the appropriate box on 2210. If you are trying to reduce or avoid a penalty you would have with the Regular Method, use the AI method. You can download a 2210 tax calculator from the web

ed

I have used paycheck stubs dated on, or close to but no later than, Apr 15, Jun 15, Sep 15, and then the total amount on W-2. You do not need nor use a Dec 31 or Jan 15 paycheck stub. Doing it this way is not exact, but anything else is even less exact.

Q. for practitioners -- have you seen a segmented 2210 audited? What did they want for the witholding tax data, and how did they treat it?

This can add up to significant dollars (e.g. a mid-level TP might save $500 by preparing an optimal 2210).

Steve

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