IRS tactics

Mar 06, 2011 3 Replies

Recently, we had an annoying encounter with the IRS. They had decided we'd not paid sufficient 941 funds from 2008, and insisted on billing us over $7000 in penulties and interest. At least that is what we assume they were moaning about, because they had unilaterally changed our address & all the initial notices were lost. We finally recieved the Lien notice, thanks, presumably, to the diligence of a post office clerk, which contained just the total lien with no further explanation.



What should have been simple to sort out became a nightmare. An agent refused to deal with us because (you can see this one coming) our address didn't match their address on record. The 30 day limit expired and we were obliged to sign a waiver to the SOL. It was only with the (excellent) help of the taxpayer's advocate that the matter was finally resolved, although we've yet to see the several thousand in confiscated refund checks they'd trousered over the last 7 months, nor the interest they say they will pay us for our trouble.



Now I'm prepared to accept this as a cost of doing business & put down the address change nonsense to their legendary efficiency. But exactly the same thing has just happened to a friend of mine, except that the $5K they claim he owes is due to some other (invented) filing irregularity.



The common thread seems to be



1) Wait until just before the SOL expires to maximize penulties and interest.
2) Pick an amount which is just on the cusp of being worth fighting in tax court, due to a supposed filing anomaly
3) Send notices to the wrong address, maximizing the chance that a Lien can be filed without the taxpayer noticing.
4) Refuse to discuss the matter because the address doesn't match their records.

Any CPAs here seen anything similar with their clients? Neither we, nor my friend, had submitted a change of address form & had been doing business at the same addresses for over 10 years.


Can't tell from your post what the tax issue was. CAWR perhaps?

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5504,00.html Taxpayers can avoid that process by doing their own W-3/W-2/941 reconciliation. I don't see a 941 assessment statute coming into play here since the first notice you received was a lien, which, by definition, requires a perfected assessment. Your implication of a sinister plot gives the IRS way too much credit for creativity. While the IRS, through its "legendary efficiency", can exacerbate a problem, it's my experience that most payroll tax issues originate with the taxpayer. There are enough filing irregularities that none need be invented.

Sounds as if your entity information was confused with someone else's -- or [business] identity theft occurred, especially if your address never changed at all. I would suggest that it's even possible that you have NO LIABILITY here at all. They may be pursuing you for someone else's liability. It does happen.

Your facts don't make a lot of sense and it does not match my experience of over 30 years of dealing with them. The IRS may be heartless and even clueless at times, but they are not sinister. Furthermore, they are really good at payroll tax assessments. What 30 day deadline expired forcing you to sign a SOL extension? The assessment statute for 2008 payroll taxes does not expire until

04/15/12, so there was well over a year left on it. It sounds like your lack of experience in dealing with the IRS caused most of the subsequent problems.

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