new 3.8% surtax

cut and pastes from other newsgroup and a CPA's web page, questions are my own.

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NYTimes - What some investors Are Doing To Anticipate Tax Increase Nice article in NYTimes by Paul Sullivan. He talks about some of the specific tax increases that are on their way to happening (unless Congress and the Prez do something about them), and what some folks are doing to deal with it.

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"He is making a bigger change with his real estate holdings. Mr. Beeman said his wife would start to actively manage the properties they rent out. He says he believes that by doing this, the rents will no longer be categorized as passive income, which is subject to the surtax. "If you have one town house generating a couple of thousand dollars a year, it's probably not worth it," he said. "If you have 10 properties and each one is generating $15,000 in net income, then it is worthwhile. It's a matter of size and if you have the time and ability to do it." "

Explain this. If rental income is no longer passive income, is it not subject to SE tax? What is the benefit in their strategy?

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Reducing the 3.8% Anti-Investment tax Our goal to reduce this tax is two-fold: Reducing income (AGI) to less than the base amount, and/or reducing or replacing investment income with income that is not considered investment income.

1.. Again, our opening strategy for business owners is to convert to "S" corporations. Once converted, pay a reasonable salary and remove other profits as non-salary distributions. An old court case, Pediatric Surgical Associates TC Memo 2011-81), established that profits attributable to non-shareholders may be withdrawn as distributions, but make sure to not get too aggressive. Because the distributions from "S" corporations are not considered investment income, this surtax is avoided, and the earned income surtax is also avoided. Caution-this strategy does not work if the shareholders are not actively involved in the business. ______________________________________________________________

Taxpayer has an LLC, with rental property that produces hefty taxable income. She could probably meet the test for active participation if a few changes were made. How would this benefit her taxes?

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Pico Rico
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Good question, I have no idea about their strategy. In addition, there is a

0.9% tax on employment income (wages and Schedule C income) above 200/250k. From the text of the law, I don't think the medicare tax is allowed for the half of self-employment tax above-the-line deduction.
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[snip] I believe the person is confusing the definition of a real estate professional for purposes of Sec. 469 (passive activity rules) with the definition of a real estate dealer or developer operating a trade or business.

Simplistically, it is the number of hours you invest that determine whether you are a real estate professional and are exempt from the loss limitation on passive activities. As a professional, your rental activity is not passive. Your rental losses are fully deductible. You still report your rental income and expenses on Schedule E. Your net rental income is not considered to be income from a trade or business and it is subject to the 3.8% tax. A good example of this is someone who is a real estate agent, also holds real property for rent in which they actively participate. Based on their hours, they are real estate professionals. Losses from the rentals are fully deductible on Schedule E. There income and business expenses as a real estate agent go on Schedule C.

If you are a real estate dealer or developer and in the course of your trade you generate rental income from some of your vacant properties, that rental income is exempt from the 3.8% tax. Interest, dividends, royalties, etc. you generate in the normal course as a real estate dealer or developer would also be exempt from the 3.8% tax. However, as a dealer or developer, unlike the real estate agent above, you do not report that rental income on Schedule E. You report it on Schedule C and it is subject to SECA. I believe this is the 3.8% exemption identified in the act.

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