Roth IRA

I need some help with Roth IRAs.

I checked my mother?s 2007 tax returns this week and discovered that she has 2 problems that she needs to correct. First, she did not take the Required Minimum Distribution for an IRA she had. Second, she converted that IRA to a Roth IRA (added to an existing Roth IRA account) and paid taxes on the conversion, but she ended up making over the $100,000 limit (not including the Roth IRA conversion income) due to large capital gain distributions by her mutual funds this year. Below is what I think she needs to do to correct the problem along with some questions. Please let me know if I?m missing something. Thanks for your help!

1) Need to recharacterize the amount converted from IRA to Roth IRA for 2007.

(a) She needs to include earnings that were made after the conversion. But how does she determine that since it was mixed into an existing Roth IRA? (b) Does she need to file any forms saying she is recharacterizing the Roth amount back to an IRA? © Does she owe any penalties?

2) Take the required minimum distribution for 2007. (a) Does she need to file some form saying she did not take the required minimum distribution for 2007, but is now correcting it? (b) Does she need to pay the 50% penalty?

3) Amend 2007 tax return.

Reply to
bearsfo
Loading thread data ...

Correct

The trustee/custodian should help here. Actually if said recharacterization had been accomplished before 4/15, there would be no need to determine those earnings.

A simple statement with the return setting forth facts and circumstances will suffice. This will go with the 1040x as you know.

Probably IRS will not assess them; however if they do, just bite the bullet.

If she has a really good reason for not remembering to to it, just file the form 5329, page 2, and follow instructions for not paying the 50%.

Formerly in olden times, one had to pay the penalty and then write a letter, or rather a plea for mercy, asking for a refund. But now it is simply accomplished with form 5329 without having to first send in the money.

This is the case certainly with a timely filed return, and given the facts and circumstances, I feel sure that IRS won't balk or question the treatment. (But don't sue me if they don't! lol)

Right.

ChEAr$, Harlan Lunsford, EA n LA

Reply to
Harlan Lunsford

Harlan, isn't it too late for that -- deadline was Oct 15th? I think this is now a failed conversion.

Pub 590 says earnings must also be transferred (withdrawn) by the due date (including extensions) in order to be treated as a contribution not made -- I recall this is new in the last few years. All earnings, plus or minus, from the date of contribution or conversion must be transferred out for a successful recharacterization, whether it happens before or after April 15th.

A Form 8606 will probably be required...

6% excise tax on excess contribution not removed by the deadline.

But if the failed conversion is left as is, then the RMD was in fact met, right (since the Traditional IRA is now closed)? Better a six percent penalty than a 50% penalty. OP also mentions "an IRA", be sure the RMD calculation takes into account *all* traditional IRA balances.

The money now in the Roth can be withdrawn at any time, tax and penalty free, from this point forward.

I recommend getting the help of a professional for this, preferably before year-end so that whatever the situation, it doesn't "spill over" into next year too.

-Mark Bole

Reply to
Mark Bole

Oops, I see this an old post from last May that got threaded into a new post with the same subject, so the timing of my comments is out of whack. Never mind.

-Mark Bole

Mark Bole wrote:

Reply to
Mark Bole

Start For the life of me, I can't find any reply of mine in the thread.

Or is my newsreader tossing out my mail and acting as a censor?

ChEAr$, harlan

Reply to
Harlan Lunsford

TOO late, Mark! grin

C$, H

Reply to
Harlan Lunsford

BeanSmart website is not affiliated with any of the manufacturers or service providers discussed here. All logos and trade names are the property of their respective owners.