temporary withdrawal of funds from ISA

As I understand it, the government now allows us (since Oct 2015) to withdraw funds from an ISA and return them again within the same tax year without using up any of the annual allowance.
However, some ISA providers do not permit this, or have not yet implemented it. In such a case one is therfore forced move the ISA to a provider who does offer it.
Has anyone made use of this new freedom? What provider did you use?
thanks
Robert
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On 15/02/2016 11:12, RobertL wrote:

What evidence do you have that providers don't allow it? Is this just for fixed term ISAs, where withdrawals are not allowed anyway? In that case I could understand it.
But if you have an easy access ISA which allows withdrawals at any time, the provider can't stop you from withdrawing your money. And, AIUI, it is a legal requirement for you to be able to re-invest it during the same tax year - so surely the provider is breaking the law if they don't allow it?
I think this only applies to one year's worth of investment - current limit about £15k. If you have built up a big balance over many years, I wouldn't expect you to be able to withdraw (say) £50k and then put it back again.
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On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 11:49:41 AM UTC, Roger Mills wrote:

thdraw funds from an ISA and return them again within the same tax year wit hout using up any of the annual allowance.

nted it. In such a case one is therfore forced move the ISA to a provider who does offer it.

My ISA provider allows deposits only up to the annual maximum. That limit is not expanded to account for withdrawals made during the same tax year. They plan to implement this 'in the autumn 2016'. I don't see that they a re breaking any law be declining to accept my money back again.

Oh dear, that is pretty much exactly what I was hoping to do. Perhaps I ha ve misunderstood what the chancellor meant. if it only applies to the 15k p ut in during the current year then it really is a rather small relaxation o f the rules.
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On 15/02/2016 12:23, RobertL wrote:

I've just checked[1], and the ability to withdraw money and then put it back doesn't come into force until 6th April this year - 2016.
I can't see any specific reference to not being able to 'recycle' more than a year's worth - so maybe you will be able to - but I would be surprised were this the case.
[1] http://www.which.co.uk/money/savings-and-investments/guides/new-isa-rules-how-nisas-work/
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On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 1:49:02 PM UTC, Roger Mills wrote:

withdraw funds from an ISA and return them again within the same tax year w ithout using up any of the annual allowance.

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I have misunderstood what the chancellor meant. if it only applies to the 1 5k put in during the current year then it really is a rather small relaxati on of the rules.

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On the other hand, this says it started in Autumn 2015:
http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/news/savings/2015/03/budget-2015-flexible- isas-allowing-tax-free-withdrawals-and-deposits-to-be-introduced
"The changes, which will come into effect from autumn 2015, will mean that savers who need access to their ISA cash are not then penalised if they the n want to save more later on that tax year. The only limit is that you need to top up your ISA during the same tax year the withdrawal was made - if y ou don't it will count towards your new allowance"
But this, which should be authoritative seems to say you can pull it out fr om previous tax years, btu tat the measure does not start until April 2016.
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/individual-savings-accounts-incr easing-flexibility-for-savers/individual-savings-accounts-increasing-flexib ility-for-savers
"This measure will allow savers to replace cash they have withdrawn from th eir ISA earlier in a year, without this replacement counting towards the li mit on how much they can save in an ISA for that year. This flexibility wil l be available to savers subject to the terms and conditions of their ISA. ...
This flexibility will be available in relation to both current year and ear lier year ISA savings, where provided for in the terms and conditions of a 'flexible ISA', but will be subject to conditions in certain cases about wh ich ISA provider can accept replacement amounts. "
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The Individual Savings Account (Amendment) Regulations 2016, http://www.legislation.gov.uk/uksi/2016/16/made definitely has the relevant new regulation 5DDB "have effect from 6th April 2016."
The actual regulation seems to me to be permissive rather than mandatory, so I suppose it's at least theoretically conceivable that not all providers would make use of it.
“10. After regulation 5DDA insert-
Flexible account
5DDB.—(1) - The terms and conditions of an account (other than a junior ISA account) (“flexible account”) may provide for an account investor to be able to replace (in whole or part) a cash amount withdrawn by the account investor in any year by a replacement subscription of a cash amount (“replacement subscription”) made in that year."
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On Monday, February 15, 2016 at 7:37:12 PM UTC, Iain Archer wrote:

thank you. I think that completes the picture. I just note that even though it is permissive, a subscriber can transfer their ISA to anther ISA provider, so it only needs one provider to offer this facility for a subscriber to make use of it.
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On 15/02/2016 19:23, Iain Archer wrote:

and don't expect all providers to offer it: ISA providers can set their own T&Cs e.g. partial transfers are permitted, but not all providers offer them!
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On Thursday, February 18, 2016 at 5:47:09 PM UTC, Allan wrote:

Aha, I hadn't realised that they don't have to offer full transfers. i had thought that if just one provider offered these withdrawals/returns then i could move my ISA to them for the purpose.
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