This Greek bailout is not a reco very plan – it is an economic de ath spiral

Default and give the banking mafia scum what they deserve. Nothing. Bring them all down, not Greece.

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This Greek bailout is not a recovery plan ? it is an economic death spiral Normally, the IMF demands countries boost exports by devaluing their currencies and cutting interest rates ? but eurozone member Greece can do neither

The International Monetary Fund has a clear idea about what is wrong with Greece. The eurozone's weakest link has a serious fiscal problem, with excessive budget deficits leading to ballooning national debt. And it has a competitiveness problem caused by its costs being higher than those of fellow members of monetary union.

It is also clear that the bailout orchestrated by the IMF, the European commission and the European Central Bank will merely be a short-term fix unless it can help get Greece moving again. If it can't, it will be worse than useless.

Normally, an IMF package works as follows. A team of experts flies in from Washington and offers immediate financial help to save a country from bankruptcy and to keep the speculators at bay. In Greece's case, the ?110bn (£95bn) it has been promised provides two or three years of grace from the demands of its creditors

In return, the IMF demands both macro-economic and micro-economic reforms in order to generate export-led growth. Countries are expected to sort out their public finances through a mixture of spending cuts and tax increases. Often, the fund will call for privatisation, labour market reform and changes to make the environment more business friendly.

But export-led growth is only possible because recipients of IMF help are told to devalue their currencies and ? if circumstances allow ? cut interest rates. This easing of monetary policy offsets the fiscal tightening and allows the country to grow. But Greece is a member of the eurozone, so it can neither devalue nor cut interest rates (which are, in any case, at rock bottom levels). Even worse, its main export market is the rest of Europe, currently the slowest growing region of the global economy.

What does that mean? It means that while demand is going to be sucked out of the Greek economy through a three-year pay and pension freeze, together with a big jump in VAT, there is unlikely to be a pick-up in exports to compensate. Instead, the slump will deepen. Greece, without the benefit of stronger growth, will be unable to meet its ambitious targets for reducing the deficit, which in turn will lead to demands for even deeper budgetary cuts, which will weaken demand still further.

That is not a recovery plan. It is an economic death spiral.

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Agamemnon
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The Greek government should introduce a pension equity tax. Pensions deemed to be excessively generous should be taxed and the proceeds used to pay the pensions of the needy. This would work like Obama's tax on "Cadillac Health Plans". For example, a hairdresser who retired at 50 istead of 67 would have to pay for the extra seventeen years. SUch a tax can be used to bring EU pensions in line with each other.

- = - Vasos Panagiotopoulos, Columbia'81+, Reagan, Mozart, Pindus, BioStrategist

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vjp2.at

I would agree on such a plan if there was such a thing as a "generous pension" in Greece (for enough people, anyway). Let me say that in Greece worker own contributions to pension are extremely high (twice the level of the US).

Greece allowed persons to retire after 35 years of employment. For those working since the age of 15, yes, 50 would have been the age. But the pension at that time is extremely limited. Even after 35 years of contributions at levels twice as high as the US, pensions for low paid persons may not be any higher than 400 euros a month. It is not bad if one's spouse is still working, but for a single person it is non-livable pension.

Greek wages and pensions are nowhere near parity in the EU. They are well below the median.

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ADR

Therein is the problem why the market baulked. You can not tax what people do not make - unless you make people replace earnings with debt which is not likely since we are post 2008 rather than in the la-la-land of housing ATM machines as in other countries. German & French banks do not want a default due to recapitalisation cost, which is nothing to say of exposure to Spain.

UK investment opportunity equally getting difficult. UK corporate bonds finally looking shaky after a remarkable recovery, UK strategic bond looking to struggle, UK gilt looking titanic and UK index linked gilt looking a bit sickly... seems the UK is going to have its own north sea period.

Cash nearly 0%, UK bonds too risky. Euro appears to be stuck in a norwegian fjord about now with Soros circling.

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js.b1

Cite?

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Unless you want us to take you on your word, which I certainly won't.

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Nashton

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