Xmas Bonus Update!

Hello again all
As I said in my last post, I communicated with my "manager" why I did not receive a bonus... She responded that she would talk to me about it
"tomorrow," and that she apologized she couldn't speak to me about it that day. The next day, I got an email saying she would talk to me about it Monday. On Monday, I got an email saying she's delaying our meeting so we can concentrate on closing for the year end, since that's our #1 priority, and she would talk to me about it in January.
Since then there's been no discussion, meeting, explanation, or anything. I didn't even request a "meeting," only an answer.
To AngrieWoman... who says I'm doing clerical work and what bonuses others in my department get (thousands of dollars) compared to what I get (nothing) is none of my business... fuck you. I'm a staff accountant and "reconcile" accounts, like the operating account, that have never been reconciled properly. When I started, the cash account was not even reconciled for MONTHS. My manager had/has no clue how to reconcile the operating account. They had two bank accounts and the cash department would list deposits that would appear in the other account. I went through it and reconciled it perfectly.
Now, there's a problem and the account is off $2,500. I told my manager the problem is somewhere else, something I can't see (don't have access to), and I need her to look at this information. It sits there for weeks and she doesn't look at it at all. Plus, she ignores me for days. For the first 3 days of the week she didn't talk to me, give me any work, or say hello. Truly bizarre! It's not hard to see why the accounting was so messed up before I started.
Anyway, IMHO she's a bad manager and a bad accountant. Plus, she can't even answer my question about the bonus. She's a coward. It's okay that all the managers get huge raises the 1st of the year, got a huge bonus for Christmas, but yet I get nothing. Not even an explanation. Don't want to give me a bonus or raise? Fine. At least have the balls to be honest about it and not a coward. Some people may accept this, like AngrieWoman, but I can't. Any reasonable, hard working individual would never accept it. Did I say I expected any bonus? Nope. But what I do expect is an honest answer no matter what it is. Is she not satisfied with my work? Then she better talk to me. Is it company policy? Why wouldn't she pull me aside and talk to me about it, instead of trying to hide it? She didn't even hide it properly! She said that she'd compile the payroll for the period since there's "tons of different things" in that particular pay (bonuses, lol). Okay, fine. But then she gave me the huge entry to put into the system. Great job at hiding the bonuses! Person #1 in my department... $4500... Person #2 in my department... $2500... my account... nothing! It's really pathetic.
Me: "Isn't there a way to import this entry from Excel into Mas 90 so we don't have to type all of this?"
Her: "No."
Me: "Can you set a few minutes aside to let me know why I didn't receive any kind of bonus? Is it performance related, company policy, or a mistake?"
Her (on Thursday) "I'll talk to you about it on Friday."
Her: (on Friday) "I'll talk to you about it on Monday."
Her: (on Monday) "I'll talk to you about it this month."
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You are in the right. AngrieWoman and your manager are in the wrong.
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Peter Saxton wrote:

I'm tired of hearing her sad saga already. I can't imagine how her office mates must feel. Is she so thick that she can't take a hint?
They're not going to give her a bonus, and I suspect they are hoping she leaves as a result. Sheesh.
I might be wrong, but I always got bonuses.
Other people's compensation is none of her business. She's out of line for inquiring about it.
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Even if so, that's not going to get him an explanation, or, any bonus, and I doubt that it will change his attitude toward his work, his supervisors, or his coworkers.
It's time to pack it in and find another job, ASAP.
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On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 05:03:00 +0000, Peter Saxton wrote:

I disagree. From my experience, complainers and brown noser's are usually incompetent employees.
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It's unclear that the OP is incompetent, but they aren't feeling the love where they curently work.
Look, that mariage is over. They've been there a *very* short time and are already unhappy with the working conditions.
There's no option *but* for them to leave. The only question is when.
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Rocinante wrote:

Heh - I've been called a brown-noser lots of times! Sometimes it's true, I guess. I always, at least in front of other people, support my superiors and their decisions. If it's a decision I find to be exceptionally stupid, at least I keep my mouth shut. I don't think of myself as a true brown noser, because I will, on occasion, express displeasure to my boss. I just don't do it in public.
I've also been in the position of having to deliver the edict-of-the-month from above, knowing full well it's BS but protocol demanded I pretend it's a good thing for all of us.
I learned early on, and not even the hard way, that having a hostile relationship with a superior is not the way to advance a career path. If I can make my boss look good, I do it!
There's possibly a million reasons that the bonus wasn't issued. She said her salary was quite generous - maybe the bonus committee is ticked at her boss for hiring somebody in at such a level, and refused the reqeust.
So, if the boss says "I tried but they wouldn't let me," she looks weak and also at odds with her superiors. She can't say she hasn't been here long enough, because a colleague with less tenure got a bonus. Boss is not stupid enough not to realize that Employee doesn't know that.
British guy is right - if you own your own business you can cut out a lot of those things from your life. But you add a bunch of different things. DH & I owned a business for a little while, and I never want to work that hard again. I'm grateful that people like Paul and Peter do enjoy that challenge, because it gives people like me a happy little place to go daily, even if I might occasionally get pissed about a decision they make.
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On Sat, 27 Jan 2007 11:10:51 -0600, "Angrie.woman"

How do you feel brown nosing because i don't think it's your natural attitude.

So your statements will have no credibility.

It's harder work running your own business. As I get more and more clients the deadlines and pressure increase. I don't want to take on staff. My wife does bookkeeping when we are asked to do it. I have control of my own life. I can raise my fees when I want within reason and if I want more money I do more work.
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Me wrote:

Don't want to

I wouldn't know, because I never had to accept it. The first accounting job I had, I hired on as a clerk the day after the fiscal year ended, but they gave me a $100 Christmas bonus anyway because I managed to impress them.
The last job I had, I was the controller for a small construction company and I got the first non-production based bonus in the company's history. And I got that after I turned in my resignation. (Husband's job required us to move.)
Bite me.
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On Thu, 25 Jan 2007 23:36:59 -0600, "Angrie.woman"

You're comparing your limited experience with someone else's limited experience. When you have worked for big international firms of accountants, small and big businesses and your own small accountancy practice you have a lot more experience and understanding of the level of incompetence, lies and bullshit that goes on.
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Peter Saxton wrote:

Does working my way up from a cash clerk to a corner office in the accounting department of an international brokerage firm count for anything? Lies, politics and BS go hand in hand with Wall Street. We deal with it.
Sorry, but I've done all those things, except work for CPA's. And I haven't owned an accounting firm, but I have freelanced. Personally, I've made quite a nice living, but I prefer cutting through bullshit to wallowing around in it.
The difference between she and I - she asked her supervisor if they could upload the data, and heard "no" even though she still suspects that answer is wrong. I showed my incompetent supervisor how to upload our data and save oodles of input hours. I was happy to let her share the corporate glory, if for no other reason than she was smart enough to hire well. (I suspect our poster would be crying that her boss stole her thunder.)
Like I said, I got my Christmas bonus. And when my incompetent boss was eventually fired, I was already in a different desk working under a person who actually was absolutely competent.
She can't sit around waiting for people to give her an opportunity to prove herself. And endlessly criticizing the work of others only proves that she's merely a complainer, not a do-er.
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On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 12:40:07 -0600, "Angrie.woman"

It doesn't count for a lot in the point I'm making. I'm trying to say I'm better than you. I'm saying that I've had experience of more businesses than you have.

I prefer to confront bullshit. Being self-employed makes it easier. The OPs situation is much more difficult.

Playing the corporate game is different to getting the job done.

Complaining and doing are not mutually exclusive.
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Angrie Woman is a typical scumbag, but that's another story.
I fixed another mistake today. The cash account was off by $2000 and I found the error even though what specifically made up the entry in question was never even explained to me. I told my "manager" what the variance was and she just couldn't grasp it. A few hours later, she called me in to explain it to her. I explained it to her three times. A few hours later, it dawned on her... she came in to tell me the good news and (surprisingly) thanked me very much. The variance for the year is 11 cents. Before I started, the variance on the operating account was $4000+, with transfers in and out of two separate bank accounts. Complete confusion. The business office listing deposits for one account which were in another. Deposits entered as one amount on the cash sheet but spread over multiple amounts on multiple bank accounts.
And to think. I balanced it all, take a huge workload off from her, contribute greatly to the accounting department (3 people), and I get no bonus and WORSE YET no explanation. And the error in question was the payroll entry she compiled, not me. She compiled it because that pay had "so many new things" in it... meaning... bonuses she didn't want me to see (because I got none). But I saw it anyway because she was too stupid and lazy to enter it, so I did. What, I'm not going to be upset when I'm entering the bonus amounts, seeing thousands given out and then $0 for my account? How dumb can you be?

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Me wrote:

Yawn. Such is the life of a bookkeeper.

You said yourself you got paid a better-than-average salary. Quit thinking of it as a favor for god's sakes!

Hey - I'm not the one still working there, am I now? Stupid is as stupid does.
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Hey man, you're the one working there. You obviously saw some benefit to taking the job in the first place, and you must see some benefit to staying there.
You need to get past (over, under, between or to the side of) your issues with the bonus and move on with the business of doing what it is they hired you to do.
If you can't, then quit.
It's not like it's your business who gets bonuses. It's highly likely that they all cut their bonuses/pay to hire you in the first place. Depending on the ownership structure of the business you work for, it may be likely that they didn't have your position budgeted. If they eked out enough to hire you, by slashing their bonuses and/or pay increases, etc, but didn't wring out enough for a $50 bonus, why are you mad? You should be glad - thankful even - that you have a job.
I own a small firm. If I need to hire someone else, that generally means that my salary gets diminished till that person starts to generate income above and beyond their pay. In other words, I have less to take home. If I hire someone at $12K per year, that's $1000 less every month for Paul. If I hire someone at $24K per year, that's $2000 less every month for Paul. How much less do you think I will go and still be willing to give a cash Christmas bonus?
If I were to hire you close to the end of the year, which is my typical hiring time frame, I'm planning on a ramping-up / training period and tax season incomes to off-set my investment in you . In the mean time though, I'm taking home less pay, in an amount about equal to what you are being paid. I doubt new hires have ever seen a bonus in the first few months, because it's costing me to have hired them in the first place.
Have you pondered that scenario any?
I don't know what type of business you work for, but many times bonuses are contractual in nature. If the individual generates $X+, they get a % of + as a bonus, and it's all on paper. That can cook all the way down to the Controller and below.
Stop being snippety about what ~you~ didn't get. You don't know the facts behind the whys of any of it. And I wouldn't bring it up to the boss again.
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Hey dude. Our company is making tons and tons and tons of cash. They handed out bonuses of $300,000 for the year. Yet I didn't get anything? I'm sure they had to "cut salaries and bonuses" to hire me. Even the "accounts payable" person got $2500! Such is the life of a bookkeeper!
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Then if you are so unhappy there - leave. Just don't go back on Monday. That'll show them not to mess with you and your bonus again.
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Me wrote:

No, it's just you.
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Peter Saxton wrote:

That's not true - you're just British and only think that you're better than I am.
I'm saying that I've had experience of more

Can't hold a job?

BEcause she's a born whiner.

To win, you have to do both.

She does what she's told, apparently.
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On Fri, 26 Jan 2007 20:49:50 -0600, "Angrie.woman"

Actually, that was a typo. I meant to say "I'm not trying to say I'm better than you."

I'm saying I trained with an international firm of accountants and now I have my own small accounting practice with hundreds of clients.
Rather than try to be derogatory you should consider how much someone learns in an accounting department of a business compared to a firm of accountants.

I didn't and I bet I earn more than you and your husband put together. I also choose my clients and don't have a boss.

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