credit risk of a fixed annuity

About 10% of the savings of my parents is in a fixed (CD-like) annuity of a large AAA rated insurance company that will soon mature. On September 5, the agent quoted them a rate of 4.75% to roll that money into a new 5-year annuity. This annuity is tax-deferred, but it is not covered by FDIC, although there are state funds that back annuities. What spread over FDIC-insured bank certificates of deposit should one demand to invest in a CD-like annuity?

There is no cut-and-dried answer, just wondering what people would think represent fair compensation for the slight increase in credit risk. The annuity benefits from deferral of tax on the interest.

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beliavsky
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I'm a little confused of your use of the word "mature". Do you mean that the annuity has a guaranteed rate of interest for a specified time period and that time period is almost up? Or perhaps, the annuity had a surrender period that will soon be expired and thus you parents can move investments without penalty? Or do you truly mean "matured" as in the annuity value will be paid out like it or not? Typically fixed annuities function with both a guaranteed interest period and a surrender period.

Regardless, I took a look at a handful of single premium fixed annuities matrices and found a few respectable one's that offered 6+% guaranteed for 6 years with a 4.55% minimum interest rate after that period (Jackson National, Lincoln Benefit, MetLife & NY Life, namely). Honestly, I didn't look into the details/caveats, so make sure you perform your due diligence. Strangely enough, most of the attractive offers were 3,6, & 7 year guarantees. 5 yr looked the worst. I don't know why, but it was the case none the less.

Lastly, assuming the current annuity isn't automatically distributed, does it have a minimum interest rate floor and, if so, what is it?

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kastnna

I mean this.

Thanks for this information.

AIG, a big insurance company that offers annuities, among other things, has effectively been taken over by the Federal government to avoid bankruptcy. I have read that owners of annuities and life insurance policies should be safe. AIG has insurance subsidiaries that are strictly regulated. How much credit risk a fixed and immediate annuties have remains murky to me.

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beliavsky

IIRC, annuities are regulated by the state that they were issued in. There may be maximum annuity that is guaranteed by the state.

-- Ron

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Ron Peterson

According to this document:

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Otis

Good find. It's too bad that the guarantee limits in some states are as low as $100,000 with California only guaranteeing 80% coverage.

Fortunately, annuity providers are more financially responsible than banks, minimizing risk to the annuitants.

If one is going to buy an immediate fixed annuity then: One should be healthy (e.g. non-smoker, not obese, no chronic disease, etc.) Wait until interest rates on treasury bonds are high. Wait until age 70 to get maximum amortization of annuity for tax benefit. Don't buy more annuity than the state guarantee limit from any one vendor.

Although immediateannuities.com gives current annuity prices, it would be nice to have a calculator that gives the actuarial value of an immediate annuity contingent on the interest rate.

Another question is whether IRA, Roth, and 401k funds should be used to purchase an annuity.

-- Ron

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Ron Peterson

The insurance agent told me that in Pennsylvania, where my father lives, the CD-type annuity he is investing in is backed up to $300K by a state insurance fund. The web site

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the same number. It looks like the risk to his annuity, which isbeing issued by a AAA-rated insurance company and which is well belowthe $300K limit, is pretty remote.

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beliavsky

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gives the same number. It looks like the risk to his annuity, which is> being issued by a AAA-rated insurance company and which is well below> the $300K limit, is pretty remote.

Agreed.

Here in AL we have "ALDIGA" which guarantees certain life insurance and annuities up to $300k death benefit and $100k surrender value. Each state is left to decide it's own coverage levels and requirements.

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