Why does the govt control interest rates?

Skip - I'd suggest that the person writing a mortgage who signs the customer's name to a falsified income statement to get them a mortgage that no one would agree to after the first/second rate adjustment, is indeed evil.

Elizabeth - one would need to understand enough about the loan they are getting to at least ask the question "what will my payment be if rates go up/stay the same".

I think we can agree that the classic 20% down, 30yr fixed, 28/36 (i.e. mortgage is 26% of income max, and total debt service 36%, max) mortgage would never have created this mess. People lose jobs, dual incomers turn to single earners, that's natural, and can almost be predicted (with a large enough pool of loans), but the classic lending would not have created the bubble as so many buyers came into the market and suply/demand got out of whack.

Lastly I offer

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which link to a PDF document titled "The Truth about the Community Reinvestment Act" in which the government gets pretty testy about these accusations.Joe

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JoeTaxpayer
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  1. Shop around. The first place you try is rarely the best. If you are refinancing, your current lender should be the last resort, not the first place you go. Let each lender you interview know you are shopping around.
  2. Be sure you understand all the details about whatever interest rate is offered. If it is variable, be aware of when and how much it might increase in the future. Get it all in writing.
  3. Be fully aware of all added costs that may be associated with the loan, such as application fees, appraisal fees, title insurance, land transfer tax, attorney fees, etc. Take these into consideration when comparing interest rates.
  4. Remember that the lender wants your business as much as you want the loan. Do not be initmidated or think the lender is doing you a great favor just by talking to you.
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    is an excellent place to get useful information about mortgages, mortgage brokers, interest rates, and such. It is an academic site for information purposes and does not try to sell you anything or get you to sign up for a loan.
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Don

This very short "just the facts" article packs an amazing amount of punch. Well done, Joe.

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honda.lioness

Imagine yourself a lender. You can sell all of the mortgages you want to and pass them off to Freddie & Fannie. You get your 6%, or whatever, and your scott free. That's what happened. Would you do it?

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Alvin

You have an odd definition of scott free. I keep hearing that the banks didn't have any skin in the game. So why do they have 3rd degree burns over 80% of their bodies?

Xho

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Xho Jingleheimerschmidt

What you describe above is a specific criminal activity which nobody condones and for which there are legal remedies that lawyers will enjoy for some time .

While I don't doubt that there were such instances, my opinion is that going from isolated instances to insinuating widespread evil lending practices is an irrational stretch.

-HW "Skip" Weldon Columbia, SC

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HW "Skip" Weldon

Fair enough. I have some homework now. I need to uncover the data that shows some relevant details about the mix of mortgages and which ones fall into which category. While my initial response offers a bit of an exaggerated example, I hope we can agree that a loan based on current income, but a teaser rate that can only go up may not be technically criminal, but it was unethical. $400K interest only, 2% teaser = $667 payment $400K 2% teaser, amortizing = $1478 $400K 4% rate = $1910

I don't know what portion of subprime loans were written that blew up for the difference in the numbers above. Homework. Joe

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JoeTaxpayer

Some people suggest the market should control rates. In recent decades the Fed Reserve interest rate adjustments have trailed short term market rates changes more often than not, suggesting the market sniffs out inflation or recessions better the the Reserve Chairman. The most egregious case was Fed inflation rate increases well into 2007 when the market said the opposite.

(I dont know enough to offer my own opinion)

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rick++

I'm reluctant to call it unethical on its face. It is certainly risky for all involved, but if the parties involved are informed and willing, I don't see it as unethical.

True, too often, the parties were not fully informed, sometimes woefully ignorant. At some point, a naive mortgagee facing a sophisticated mortgage broker can become unethical, but I don't see a bright line.

-- Doug

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Douglas Johnson

ISTM when one goes case by case, determining the line for the purposes of identifying unethical conduct can be very easy. It will be fuzzy or super clear. Fuzzy = not enough evidence to be deemed unethical or illegal. Super clear = jerk preying on the ignorant, which as we know, can have effects on us all. We are all in this together, as the recent crash shows, after all.

Given that only about 27% of the age eligible population has a college degree, and even fewer have education in financing, I would give the benefit of the doubt to the theory that many are taken advantage of and regulating laws are entirely appropriate. At least as long as we want a health working class to staff our factories, make our products, and so keep our stock values high.

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honda.lioness

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