Bad Debt in cash basis report

How should you handle a real loss due to a bad debt for a cash basis business?

As a small company, we maintain an inventory of repair parts. If we perform a repair and use inventory parts and return the product to the customer expecting payment within terms and the customer defaults, we have then lost the value of our inventory items in addition to not receiving the other income.

This lost inventory cost represents a real loss that must be recorded for tax purposes.

How should that be handled if the IRS does not permit a 'bad debt' for a cash basis taxpayer?

From: "Laura" - Find messages by this author Date: Sat, 23 Apr 2005 18:03:50 GMT Local: Sat,Apr 23 2005 2:03 pm Subject: Re: Help on Bad Debt Reply to Author | Forward | Print | Individual Message | Show original | Report Abuse

This depends on whether you are Cash or accrual basis. For cash basis you would post the Debit to Income instead of the Bad Debt expense. Per the IRS: A "cash method" taxpayer should not have a bad debt expense because he/she has never received payment for the services that have already been rendered. Thus, no income has been reported on such services.

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npreston
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You should check with your accountant as to whether or not you should be a cash or accrual basis. Any company that has an inventory should be on an accrual basis not a cash basis.

In a cash basis company there is no such thing as bad debt as I stated back in April. You never received the cash so you can not claim any income and therefore there is no loss.

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Laura

There is in fact a loss if someone takes some of your inventory and does not pay for it.

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Neil Preston

Not in a cash basis company. Or at least you can't claim it.

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Laura

If you have inventory, you have shrinkage.

Maybe you answer?

Laura wrote:

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Golden California Girls

Your loss will be reflected in Cost of Goods Sold ("CGS"). Here's how it works: when you prepare your tax return, you will have a CGS section. CGS will be computed by taking your beginning inventory, adding Purchases, and deducting your Ending Inventory. If you have less ending inventory because of theft, your CGS will be higher. CGS is an expense that will be reflected in your Net Profit. Thus, you will get a tax benefit from the inventory shrinkage by virtue of your CGS being higher, resulting in your taxable profit being lower.

And, companies that have Inventory are required to be on the accrual basis, as least with respect to accounting for their inventory.

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Z Man

The uncollected sales proceeds are not deductable, however all other costs incurred like the cost of the items sold are.

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Allan Martin

So the question becomes: how best to work within Quickbooks to properly record the bad debt so that that the cost of the lost inventory shows up in the correct account on a cash basis report.

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Neil Preston

Please refer to my prior response. In short, the lost inventory becomes an element of CGS, which reduces profit. This is the case regardless of whether the cash or accrual basis is used. Clear?

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Z Man

The concept is clear enough.... I'm referring to the mechanics of making the entries in QB so that the debt is cancelled and the lost inventory is accounted for.

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Neil Preston

For accounting purposes, it is:

Debit "Ending Inventory" (B/S) Credit "Ending Inventory" (P&L)

If you are running a perpetual inventory system through QuickBooks, I cannot assist, as I am not familiar with that module. Possible someone else can jump in and help.

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Z Man

or in other words...

however you record the sale when you ship to customer, you would reverse via journal entry, for example: Sale: Debit AR, Credit Inventory Payment received: Debit Cash, Credit AR No payment received: Debit Materials (P&L), Credit AR

Also, keep in mind that it would only be the cost of the inventory item, not the sales price that would be recorded.

Hope that helps. Denise

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Denise

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