Can I ever get out of AMT hell (after a tax-naive ISO exercise)

Feb 14, 2007 3 Replies

Is there an easy way to understand the ramifications of AMT for ISOs?



After the stock bubble burst, I was left with an AMT tax which was far greater than my entire income due to my exercise of an ISO stock option. I had to empty my bank account and remortgage my house just to pay taxes on money that I never made (and never will make) due to my lapse of understanding of the horrors of the AMT for ordinary people. Trust me, if a five-foot-two inch petite lady ever goes postal in Congress, you can look me up!



My problem is I still don't understand how to get OUT of the AMT calculation horror. I still own the (nearly worthless now) shares of that ISO that kicked me into the horrors of the AMT. Yet, every year since, I've had to fill out a miriad of alternate tax forms.



Basically, because of the horrors of Congress' Alternative Minimum Tax system, I have to repeat the horrors of the regular tax system, twice, and with wholly different rules. For example, I have to fill out form 8582 passive activity loss limits twice, once with regular calculations, the other with AMT calculations. Same with the CA3801. Twice. Same with 8801 AMT prior year calculations. Twice. And the list goes on.



Everything seems to turn topsy turvy with the Alternative Minimum Tax system - for example, a 29.5 year depreciation turns into a 40-year depreciation.



The question I'm leading up to, in exhausted exasperation, is whether or not there is a way to UNDERSTAND the AMT such that I can figure out how to (finally) get out of it given that the single item that kicked me into the huge AMT (more than my income) tax was a naive exercise of an ISO stock option. That stock is now nearly worthless so I've paid far more in AMT taxes than the stock is currently worth.



I ask in almost complete exasperation ...



Is there an easy way to describe how I can get out of this AMT tax calculation hell?


Let me respectively suggest that since this is a news group about Quicken, you might wish to make your post in a group such as "misc.taxes.moderated" that is probably a better fit for such a question.

Will do. I was wondering if Quicken could calculate the AMT ahead of time.

430 No such article 222 15569 body > Let me respectively suggest that since this is a news group about Quicken,

Will do. I was wondering if Quicken could calculate the AMT ahead of time.

No. Quicken can't even calculate the regular income tax. All it can do is collect the income and deduction details so that you can Import those into TurboTax. TT can calculate the AMT - but only after you have done the work to calculate the facts on which the AMT is based (including the special depreciation calculations that you mentioned).

As Andrew suggested, misc.taxes.moderated is a good resource if you are determined to figure this out on your own. But I would recommend that you consult with a CPA who specializes in income taxes. The AMT is no playground for amateurs!

When the AMT first appeared, about 30 years ago, I was a practicing CPA in California, specializing in taxes. I quickly became a "local expert" in AMT, addressing meetings of CPA to explain this new wrinkle in the tax rules. But, although we had to make the AMT calculations for several of our more wealthy and tax-aggressive clients, very few were actually liable for the tax. In the 1980's, I was a one-man CPA firm in a small town in Oklahoma, and limited my practice to taxes. While the AMT was a thorn in the sides of me and my clients, very few actually owed AMT. Since moving to Texas in 1990 and retiring, I haven't had to worry about AMT. My own tax situation is very simple now, and I don't have to study the rules for clients. So my knowledge of taxes is over 15 years out of date. I would not attempt to compute even the "regular" income tax on a complex return now, much less one that might involve AMT. And especially one that would trigger "huge AMT (more than my income)", as you said in your first post. My understanding is that a major part of the problem is failure to adjust AMT limits to recognize the significant inflation that has occurred in the past 30 years, so that "ordinary" taxpayers now suffer the penalties that were intended to apply only to the very wealthy.

Your misfortune reminds me of a report that I heard many years ago from one of the highly-socialized and heavily-taxes Scandinavian countries. One of their taxpayers complained bitterly that her taxes were 105% of her income! The tax officials sympathized, but said that it was nothing to worry about, since only a few taxpayers were in her situation. :-{

Our Congress now seems to have adopted that same attitude, I'm afraid.

RC

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