Dividing up proceeds between long-term and short-term portion of a stock sale

Greetings all.

I am attempting to report a stock sale which happened during 2008. It is a sale from an Employee Stock Plan, so it consists of multiple purchases made every two weeks over time. There is a short-term and a long-term portion of the sale. Because the stock value was generally rising before I sold it, the short-term shares tend to have a higher cost than the long-term shares.

I received a 1099-B which reported the total proceeds from the sale. In order to report this sale, I have to divide it up into two sales, one for the short-term shares and one for the long-term shares. This means that I have to divide up the proceeds between the two "sub- sales". The most natural way to divide this up seemed to be to weight it according to the number of shares involved in each "sub-sale"; i.e., short_term_proceeds = total_proceeds X short_term_shares / total_shares and long_term_proceeds = total_proceeds X long_term_shares / total_shares.

The issue that I came up against is that, because the short-term shares tended to cost more, this results in a short-term loss and a long-term gain. I tried to enter these figures (I am using TurboTax's free online filing), and when I put in the short-term portion, it follows up by warning me that this sale may be subject to "wash sale rules" and asks me if I then purchased substantially similar shares. Of course, since this is an automatic payroll deduction, I continued to purchase shares after the sale, so I would have to answer yes to this.

Since I don't really think that I should be declaring a loss on this sale (because the sale resulted in an overall gain), I then wondered if I should declare my short-term proceeds to be equal to my short- term cost basis, and assign the remainder to the long-term portion. Or possibly I should assign them so that I report both a short-term and long-term gain, and weight the gain according to the number of shares involved, similar to what I attempted to do in weighting the proceeds.

Is anyone aware of an IRS requirement to use a particular method to assign the proceeds from this sale? If so, please point me to the relevant area on the IRS site. If the IRS does not require a particular method, can you recommend the one I should use? I appreciate any assistance anyone can provide.

Tom

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Just a User
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Did they really purchase shares every 2 weeks? I've participated in a number of ESOPs, and they all worked by taking cash from my paycheck every pay period, but they only purchased the company stock once every 6 months.

It doesn't matter whether there's an overall gain. You have to calculate the gain or loss for each lot you purchased. TurboTax is correct: if some of them were losses, the losses have to be deferred because of the wash sale rules.

For regular stock, there's no averaging method allowed. For mutual funds you can average, although I think you still have to adjust for wash sales -- there's no way around the wash sale rule.

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Barry Margolin

But it's not a wash sale. The holding periods were in parallel. It wasn't a sale then buy-back because there was no buy-back.

Even if there were a wash sale in there, since he disposed of ALL of the stock, the wash sale washes out.

The wash sale rule doesn't apply in the first place.

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D. Stussy

That doesn't matter. It's a wash sale if you purchased shares of the same company within 30 days BEFORE OR AFTER the sale. He purchased shares 4 weeks before, 2 weeks before, that same week, 2 weeks later, and 4 weeks later -- all of those are within the 30 day window (actually, depending on the day of the week of the sale, the first or last is probably outside the window).

He never said he sold all his shares, but maybe it was implied by his attempt to average everything. But even if he did, he purchased shares

2 and 4 weeks later -- those count as buy-backs, and will cause the wash sale rule to apply.
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Barry Margolin

As for the purchases 2 and 4 weeks earlier, he sold those too - so the wash sale washes out.

I need a better explanation of the transactions before I can agree with that. He said that the price of the stock was increasing, so his sales should always be at a gain. Therefore, there's no wash sales. Even if one lot is at a loss, it has other purchases in adjacent pay periods that are gains that wash it out.

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D. Stussy

He wrote: "The issue that I came up against is that, because the short-term shares tended to cost more, this results in a short-term loss and a long-term gain." So the price was generally trending up in the long run, but dropped a bit before he sold, so the recent shares were sold at losses.

Since he automatically purchased more shares 2 and 4 weeks later, some of those sales (up to the number of shares he repurchased) become wash sales. He can't take the loss now, he has to add the disallowed losses to the cost basis of the new shares. So his eventual capital gain is reduced (or his eventual capital loss increased) when he later sells those new shares.

In order to ignore the wash sale rule completely, you have to sell all shares of the security, and not buy any new shares for 30 days. Or don't sell any of the lots that have losses -- it doesn't matter whether you have a net gain in total.

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Barry Margolin

Yes, that is part of the reason; also, there are fees associated with the sale which make it harder to sell the more recent shares for a gain. The loss is actually very small in relation to the total sale, but it is a loss nonetheless.

Here is where the issue comes up. I get one check for the whole sale. The question is, if I sell, say, 20 shares (purchased at different time for different amounts) and receive $1000 after sales fees, do I have to report that I received $50 for each share? Or can I assign this $1000 another way? If all the shares cost a total of $950, for example, can I report a gain of $2.50 per share? This would require distributing the proceeds of the sale to each share based on the cost of that share. I have tried to look on the IRS website for a rule pertaining to this, but it is hard to know exactly what to search for.

Thanks for all the responses so far.

Reply to
Just a User

If all the shares were sold for the same price, then you received $50 for each share.

Read publication 550. It says "Except for certain mutual fund shares, discussed later, you cannot use the average price per share to figure gain or loss on the sale of the shares."

So if you purchased 10 shares for $350, and 10 shares for $600, you have a gain of $150 on the first lot, and a loss of $100 on the second lot. If you purchased another 5 shares within 30 days of the sale, you you have a wash sale on 5 of the shares of the second lot, so you can only report $50 of loss, and you add $50 to the cost basis of the new shares.

Reply to
Barry Margolin

Yes but in the OP's situation, he still recognizes the loss because the wash-sale reacquisition was itself sold. It washed out.

Reply to
D. Stussy

These are the reacquisition shares, and he never said anything about selling them.

Reply to
Barry Margolin

Yes.

Almost certainly not. (If you instructed your broker to sell specific lots at different times/prices, then you'd report actual proceeds for each lot. But that's not the case.)

No.

Seth

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Seth

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