25% of Pension fund as tax free cash - relief on contributions -no brainer ??

The 2006 A day changes allow for 25% of the pension fund to be taken as tax free cash. My children will finished their education in 7 years time and I plan to retire then aged 58. I'd like to give them a head-start by giving each of them £50k cash which I will fund from my tax free cash (£150K will be less than 25% of the fund) I currently have around £45k in AVC's, and propose to build that element to around £150k in the next 7 years by maximising my ASC contributions. I'm in what's left of the Final Salary scheme which allows additional contributions. The company ASC scheme currently allows me to pay around £13.5k a year which is £7660 my contribtion, £5107 tax relief and a 6% contribution from the company... £766. The investment is spread so unless the world economy goes t*ts up I will also get some growth making the £150K easily achievable.

I plan to downsize and live off my basic Final Salary company pension plus equity released from the house which will be invested.

It seems too good to be true to be able to withdraw the £150K as tax free cash which will be made up of 7 years of my ASC contributions ( £54k), 7 years of tax relief ( £35k), 7 years of company 6% (£5k) and my current fund of £45k. Is the taxman going to let me walk away with the £35K relief he has given me over the 7 years just because I contributed £54k to a pension via the ASC's ? If he is, it's a no-brainer. Even with no growth in the fund my £54K contibution becomes £104K cash... 54+35+5. I don't know any way of getting returns like that without huge risk or criminal activity..the days of double digit property growth are over.

I'm going to seek professional advice but wondered if anyone can confirm the above re the tax relief element ?

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thornta
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Forget about the tax relief element, and forget about all the other things which make up the pot. All that matters now is how big your overall pension pot is when you "retire" (which means when you start drawing your income from it). It doesn't matter how it's made up. You can take 25% of the total as a TFLS (tax free lump sum) and the remaining 75% would then be used to fund your pension, which in the case of straightforward accumulated funds means you would buy an annuity with it.

If your pot is split between various sub-funds, I gather you can bring them into payment independently. One wheeze is to use a stakeholder plan with zero growth time. Under this scheme you can invest £2160 (if you're a 40% taxpayer) which the govt will top up with tax relief to £3600 gross (if you're a 22% taxpayer you can still invest £3600 gross but it will cost you £2808 instead of £2160). Rather than let this pension plan grow, you can cash it in immediately (provided you're at least 50 years of age) and take

25% of the £3600 out (so the investment has only cost you £1260 or £1908) and buy an annuity with the remaining £2700. If this pays you 6%pa, you can think of it being worth nearly 13% of the £1260 it actually cost you, or 8.5% of the £1908 it cost you. Not a bad return, but of course it's taxable.

If one (or indeed the major) element of your pot is a pension entitlement under a final salary scheme, where therefore the actual value of this element is undefined, I gather the rule is to value it on the basis of 20 times your pension.

So if, for example, your deal provides that you get an annual pension of £20k (perhaps because this is half your final salary), plus a TFLS of 3 times your pension (which is a typical rule of many final salary schemes), then the value of your FSS pot would be deemed to be £60k plus 20x£20k, i.e. £460k. Naturally, the £60k would be counted as part of your overall 25% entitlement. But since 25% of £460k is £115k, it means that after deducting the £60k, there's a spare £55k "25% allowance", and if the rules of your FSS don't allow you to trade down your pension in favour of a bigger TFLS, or if you don't want to do that, you can instead take an extra £55k out of your other (defined value) pots, which means you need to spend less of them to buy annuities, which are often poor value.

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Ronald Raygun

Given the size of the funds, >£600K IIUC, I'd say he doesn't need to go down the safety first and relatively expensive annuity route, but instead should concentrate on getting the maximum out of the funds, to use for himself and his beneficiaries, via tax free cash and income drawdown/unsecured pension and alternatively secured pension (ASP).

Daytona

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Daytona

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