D Tel: Brown's housing plan 'will devastate country'

If it means the likes of me can afford somewhere of my own to live then so be damned. I am tired of those who already have country mansions whinging about this sort of thing.

Thats enough of that uppity commie talk, you can live in my tied cottage (well, more of a garden shed) for a reasonable rent, and keep my lawn mowed as payment.

Sound cheaper and more spacious than my flat :-(

cd

Same here, and I'm a homeowner.

This is a great way of improving the majority of peoples standard of living. The amount of money wasted in paying for inflated housing is astronomical and dominates the economy. Governments may think that they control the economy - they don't. The distortions created by the housing shortage controls the economy.

Daytona

Do you like large spiders? You'll have to evict those first, there is no way I will!

I already have large spiders. There was one so large the other day I heard it walking towards me. Really.

cd

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Spiderman in his outdoor boots? Jim

A little spider with clogs on?

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Well, I declare!!

Also a close look (or even a glance) at the figures on waste pollution shows them to be utterly unbelievable.

Or you could go out and create the wealth so that you can afford a decent place. Instead of moaning, that is.

I am not sure who this is being addressed to? Is to the moaners/whingers I mentioned or to my support of Gordon Brown. It's not often I support him but this issue is different. How is that moaning?

FWIW I am struggling to make ends meet and save money so I can afford a house at some time in the future. The lower the prices the earlier I can buy.

At the end of the day with an insufficient stock of houses to go round the only winners are the land owners who get permission to build. Are you one of those?

Umm no, you're not thinking that through. The real winners are actually those with large mortgages. They make money out of almost nothing, provided they play the market properly. I don't see anyone's interests beign served by a few million more cheap and tacky "estates" for repmobile man.

Don't fool yourself into thinking that this policy will represent cheap housing for the masses. You can see it in action already. It's places like the new town at Micheldever - turning a halfway decent village into a commuter hell-hole. Or the steady infilling of the South Coast to turn a heritage coastline into Billy Gibson's Sprawl.

Mostly these developers don't provide for anyone other than the middle income two kids crowd. Their developments don't have shops, restaurants or pubs. If they *do* create any of the preceding they make damn sure that they are plastic wastelands. the houses are cheap build, sold at high prices to the prats who think they are gettign "an investment" when in fact they are buying into being stigmatised.

If you can't afford a house where you are, there's always the Norman Tebbit option. Plenty of cheap houses around the country, move elsewhere. Or do what many of the rest of us had to do, buy a "fixer upper".

And you *were* whinging BTW.

He'll probably be what he describes as a 'wealth creator'. With what passes for creativity today that could be anything from an inventive entrepreneur lending his ingenuity to profitable and socially beneficial production and employment to someone who - armed with substantial equity arising from home ownership (probably as much a surprise to him as anyone else) - has gone out and raised a bigger loan on property he can rent out while farting through silk. I'm happy to raise a glass to anyone's good fortune but I think it's going a bit far to equate gambling with any of the central ambitions of the capitalist dream....unless of course modern capitalism is a dream based more or less purely on gambling and it's about to be shattered (not for the first time).

Do you mean that rising house prices alone are a great way of improving etc.? If so, then do you not see any downside? I'm thinking here not of the disenfranchised homeless but of the economic backlash that is quite likely to arise from it.

No. I was agreeing with the attitude 'environmental consequences be damned', because I view it as a serious problem both for the economy and society.

Daytona

You really are a cretin aren't you. Hover you ever stopped to consider how stupid you are?