Full disclosure of unemployment benefit.

Jan 30, 2005 7 Replies

This may be OT but here goes. Just got employed on a good graduate training scheme at a decent well-known company. In the mass of documents to fill in before the job starts there is one called "Sick Pay Declaration Form" and asks if I have been on benefits and if so what. Since I have been on the dole, this applies; yet I would prefer not to let them know since it doesn't exactly look good.



My question is: what does being on benefits have to do with sick pay? IOW, why do they want to know?



Also, when I come off the benefits, will the benefit office give me a P45 and if so what will it say? If it says I have been on ebenfits, is there a way round this?



I realise it's not exactly shameful these days, but I would rather that my new employers did not know about this.


The rules for Statutory Sick Pay are affected by and in turn can affect Incapacity Benefit. Your employer is probably collecting the information as a general rule for all employees, to use if necessary.

I thought P45s were given on termination of employment, not termination of benefits. I may of course be wrong.

As a general rule I'd suggest you don't give false statements to your employer.

Rgds

__ Richard Buttrey Grappenhall, Cheshire, UK __________________________

Have a look at the P45 parts 2+3 (copy for new employer)

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Going to a new job Give this form (Parts 2 and 3) to your new employer, or you will have tax deducted using the emergency code and may pay too much tax. If you do not want your new employer to know the details on this form, send it to your Inland Revenue office immediately with a letter saying so and giving the name and address of your new employer. The Inland Revenue office can make special arrangements, but you may pay too much tax for a while as a result.

Being on the dole is classed as employment for these purposes.

You will usually get overpaid tax back, but can take a couple of months.

Martin <

It will have the benefits agency tax office, and say it is details of benefits rather than details of pay.

You could send the P45 to the tax office and ask them to issue a tax code. It will mean you pay too much tax while they sort it out.

Why not? Even the best of us can have the misfortune to suffer periods of unemployment. I could be signing on soon because my employer is closing down and I can't make another job appear just like that.

Why do you have a problem with this? They may need to know if you have received incapacity benefit because it might have a bearing on your entitlement to Statutory Sick Pay. On the other hand there's no need for them to know until such time as you take time off sick. I have never encountered a form such as the one you describe.

The Jobcentre issues a P45U when you cease receiving benefit.

You can always tell your employer you have no P45 (lots of reasons could give rise to this) and ask them for a P46 which you complete.

It is commonplace. As long as you have not lied on an application form about what you have been doing there is no conceivable reason wny it may be a problem. If you did you stand to be found out whatever you do and that could result in dismissal for gross misconduct which really will cause you problems. Some short-sighted employers may not offer a job to somone who has been long-term unemployed but you have the job so what's the problem.

jb

Jobcentres have issued a P45U to anyone who has claimed taxable benefits (principally Jobseeker's Allowance) ever since they became taxable in the 1980s. The information it contains is practically the same as on a normal P45. The main differences are the labels on the boxes - for example, date of leaving becomes date claim ceased or something like that.

jb

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