Higher earners ‘to retire at 70’

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Higher earners ?to retire at 70? Robert Winnett, Whitehall Correspondent UNIVERSITY graduates may be barred from receiving a state pension until they are 70 under proposals from Tony Blair?s pensions supremo to solve the looming crisis. Adair Turner, head of the government?s Pensions Commission, says lower-paid workers could, however, still retire on a full pension at

65 to reflect their lower life expectancy.

The move would break the century-old system of a common state pension retirement age across all social groups and shows how the scale of the problem is forcing Whitehall to consider drastic measures.

It would mean the professional middle classes would bear the brunt of what Turner describes as the ?tricky choices? forced onto the government by the ageing population.

But he argues that such a radical change might be necessary because professionals survive on average five years longer than lower social groups after retirement. Turner says this should be reflected in the state retirement age. ?One of the sad facts is that although life expectancy is going up, it is going up least in lower socio-economic groups,? Turner said.

?So we have to be sensitive to that when we put up the state pension age. For example, the person who starts work at 16 would be able to get something at 65. The person who went to university and started serious work at 23 is not going to get it until 70.?

In the interview, Turner said that all workers might have to be forced to save for a pension with the money invested on their behalf by the government. It would ensure that everybody would have an annual income of about £12,000 a year, including the basic state pension.

The unpopular changes are being considered by Turner because of the multi-billion-pound shortfall in the amount that people have saved for their retirement. Estimates have put the shortfall at between £30 billion and £60 billion.

During the election campaign, Labour said that it would decide how to reform pensions after receiving Turner?s final recommendations in the autumn.

David Blunkett, the new work and pensions minister, has already accepted that people will have to retire later and pay higher taxes to fund more generous pensions. Sources close to the minister said that they were looking at Turner?s proposals and had not ruled out a ?flexible retirement age? in future.

Turner has proposed a two-tier system because he believes that a more sophisticated approach to increasing the state pension age is required.

?We?ve got to be wary of saying, ?Well, in order to get our numbers to add up without a further tax increase it (the state pension age) has got to be 70 in 2030, end of story?. It?s too cavalier in relation to the life expectancy of people at the bottom end of the income scale,? he said.

Ironically, the wealthy are far more likely to retire earlier. They would still be free to do this but may not receive any state support until the age of 70.

Frank Field, former Labour welfare reform minister, said: ?I think the idea is wonderful, but how do you make it a practical policy?? Sir Malcolm Rifkind, shadow work and pensions minister, said: ?Changing the entitlement depending on whether you went to university would not only be wrong in principle but almost certainly unworkable.?

Although Turner is still working on the detail of his recommendations, last week he gave an outline of his likely solutions. He is working closely with Blunkett and the government is expected to set out its broad framework for reform on June 21.

?We are clear that there is not a coherent long-term pensions system. It is agreed that the state ought to make sure by some means that everybody is out of poverty in retirement. The problem is there?s not enough money. Remember, underlying this there is no free lunch. There are more people living longer and (that) . . . means there are some tricky choices about sums of money,? Turner said.

?I can?t go through the figures at the moment, the numbers don?t add up which is why you might need some extra (National Insurance contributions).?

Reply to
mogga
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There are quite a few people who have been through university and are only doing very humble below average wage jobs, while people who left school at

16 and started their own business may be doing far better financially. I wonder how they will define a "professional" person for deciding their pension entitlement age?
Reply to
Adrian Boliston

So on that basis, men should get their pension before women.

Reply to
Andy Pandy

Not to mention smokers & diabetics...

Reply to
Justine

This will certainly stop a lot of people from going to university - rather contrary to the Government's aims. Mind you, it might also mean that the no-hopers who go to university to get a degree in the hope that it might fit them for a job won't go there at all. Half of them are going for soft-option degrees rather than the ones that this country really needs.

Rob Graham

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Rob graham

Yup. It's such a ridiculously stupid idea that it'll almost certainly just be preparing the ground for changes that'll mean higher earners get less off the state.

They're probably going to go for the "Citizen's Pension" idea, which will raise the basic state pension to something like 105 a week with no NI contribution requirement, and abolish SERPS/S2P and contracting out.

Reply to
Andy Pandy

Or get jobs which don't need university degrees at all. No wonder plumbers earn

90,000 while so many are getting degrees in media studies and history of art.
Reply to
Andy Pandy

So Blair wants to get 50% of school leavers into Uni education, yet forces them to pay for it and get into loads of debt, and after they've finally paid it all off, won't be able to get a pension till they're

  1. Good reason to drink your self silly and abuse substances while at uni

- reduce your life expectancy enough to not care about it!

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fishman

Another point, where do you draw the line? What if you go to university, but don't graduate? What about an immigrant who attended uni abroad? What if you attended a Poly? What about part time study?

Sounds like they're flying kites. Fact is I'm working on assumption that I'll be paying in plenty of NI, but my state pension will be zero or therabouts..

Reply to
Justine

Well just so long as they ban companies from using age as a criteria from selecting people for a downsizing exercise that'll be all right then. In many graduate jobs if you are still an 'operative' at 60 you are pushed out as being too old for such a role, so if you want to carry on working B&Q it is.

tim

Reply to
tim (moved to sweden)

How many 17/18 olds will consider pension possibilities as a reason for choosing whether or not to attend university?

Anyway... in 40 years time, things will have changed quite a bit no doubt.

Axel

Reply to
axel

Furthermore... how would you prove it?

Axel

Reply to
axel

the same ones as choose careers in the civil service, banking etc ?

Phil

Reply to
Phil Thompson

Not sure if this plan is supposed to be retrospective, but when I went to uni in the early 80's it was made plain our NI payments were being paid while we studied, I also paid NI whilst I spent a year in industry as part of my sandwich course.

Reply to
Justine

Don't think that's true - you don't get NI credits for further education. You get NI credits for A-levels or equivalent but not beyond.

Reply to
Andy Pandy

Yes, by then a University education will be compulsory!

Reply to
Chris Game

I think setting up in business making sandwiches is likely to be a lot more productive than getting a degree in philosophy or media studies.

Rob

Reply to
Rob graham

Civil service, certainly.

But banking... considering the astronomical starting salaries that the few graduates who enter banking each year command, I would think few would be in the least interested in a state pension and probably most will retire before they are 60.

Axel

Reply to
axel

You mean plumbers don't all have degrees in fluid dynamics?

Reply to
Ronald Raygun

State pensions can't be funded adequately unless they increase increase tax massively. The pensions industry is not interested in providing pensions. Therefore, I agree with you totally.

I've got rental income now which will be adequate for when I can't work and I don't plan to stop working completely, just wind down when I feel ready.

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Peter Saxton

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