Local government Pension Scheme

This group used to be so useful in giving advice and interpreting complex issues ... I have been unable to get onto usenet for a while (tiscalie...followed by talk talk (or all talk and no action) removing my access via outlook. Still I am back now and I remember there used to be a guy here who worked for LGPS and knew te scheme backwards. I have 2 questions; in the LGPS the staff via work email have had the statement;

"The major change to the policy is the removal of the award of augmented (increased) pension service from 1 January 2011. Currently augmentation is awarded to all members of the LGPS, who are made redundant, regardless of their age. This award will continue to be made up to 31 December 2010.

Where an employee is already under notice to terminate their employment and an award of augmented service has been made, this will be honoured. For those who have pension estimates that show an award of augmented service, but where notice of termination of employment has not been issued, augmented service will not be awarded after 31 December 2010"

What does this mean?... what augmented service are they referring to?

And, on another point, my daughter who has deferred service in the LGPS has now joined the teachers pension scheme. Now I know they are in the same "club" so transfers should be easy without actuarial reduction. Should she be advised (up to now thats been my advice) to transfer the service in the LGPS to the teachers scheme? I have told her that when the time comes and she finally retires she won't remember she has 2 scheme memberships under the LGPS and 1 under the teachers scheme, and the schemes may have difficulty if she is deferred and moves house a number of times and the service will be lost since she won't remember. Yours advice please? ta

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biggirlsblouse
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Obviously they have been prepared to enhance the pension for those who are made redundant - a golden goodbye, you might say. A lot of schemes did this, particularly if people volunteered for early retirement. The scheme would make it worthwhile to do so. The enhancement was made by increasing the number of years that the person had theoretically worked. This would result in a bigger pension (because final salary schemes use years of service as part of the calculation criteria).

They are now saying that they are not prepared to go on with this after

31.12.2010, other than honouring existing pledges.

The only way of being sure that there is no loss on a transfer is to get a 'transfer value' (technical term) from the ceding scheme and show that to the proposed new scheme and ask them for a quote of the benefits it will buy. Then decide whether to go ahead. Without these definitive figures it's inspired guesswork. Of course, there are other issues besides just the cash amount (as you've said, will your daughter remember the other schemes when the time comes, etc, etc).

Rob Graham

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Rob Graham

Re my daughters teachers scheme.... apparently transfers are "costless" because they are in the same club. It doesn't matter whether you transfer from the civil service or local government or teachers the transfers are worth the same..so there is no loss. I was mainly concerned that they may clobber the LGPS in the future and leave the teachers scheme alone because that is for professionals. Also, my worry was that once I am no longer here, I wont be around to remind her how many schemes she has been a member in!... you know what most people are like.... pensions are boring...until they are within spitting distance.

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biggirlsblouse

I'm not sure that this is totally true. I believe the benefits can be different albeit the schemes are in the same 'club'.

I was

Indeed!

Rob

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Rob Graham

"Rob Graham" wrote

Are you forgetting about salary-linking on 'public sector transfer club' (PSTC) transfers?

If left in LGPS, then "leaving service benefits" will apply. If transferred via the PSTC, benefits will be linked to future salary on leaving Teachers (albeit adjusted upwards/downwards for different benefit structures).

It's fairly rare for salary-linking not to be beneficial, isn't it? [Eg moving to lower-paid job could make it worse...]

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Tim

I take it your recommendation is move then... because if it stays where it is it will her last salary (not as a teacher) which will increase with RPI (soon to be CPI) until retirement, which is bound to be less than what she would get if its transferred, providing for example if she has 5 years service the service is transferred over without reduction and its worth 5 years in the teachers scheme.

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biggirlsblouse

"biggirlsblouse" wrote

Unfortunately, I couldn't possibly give advice or a *recommendation* (either way) ...

"biggirlsblouse" wrote

... Yep, exactly...

"biggirlsblouse" wrote

Not necessarily (salary increases in future are unknown), but usually salary increases *do* outperform RPI(/CPI).

"biggirlsblouse" wrote

If the benefit structures were identical, then 5 years service in LGPS would transfer (under club arrangements) to 5 years service in Teachers.

Any differences in benefit structures will lead to an increase or decrease from 5 years, but the overall *value* should be equivalent (based on the assumptions made for the future being about right!).

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Tim

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