Locking in capital gains

I have a property I let that is now jointly owned with my partner (99% mine, 1% my partners). We are not married.

It had been my intention to give another 98% to her in about two years time when I anticipate I'll have to start paying CGT if I dispose of it.

However, theres a chance that the housing market will fall considerably. Unfortunately, this will make very little difference to when I'll have to start paying CGT as it's the reducing proportion allowable to PPR that's the biggest factor baring a 70% fall in prices.

If the market does start to wobble, even if the final fall is only

10-15% it will make sense for me to gift the property to my partner before it actually falls. That way the time for it to move back up to the gifted price will make taper relief more attractive once it does start showing gains again.

But if at the start of May the BoE puts up interest rates by 50bp and at the start of June there's news reports of "gazundering" starting again and we decide to do the transfer then, how do we get a fair valuation? Obviously we'd want this to be as high as possible (within reason) and it isn't going to immediately cost any extra tax if the taxman thinks it's too high and reduces it but I'd like to avoid being in the situation where I gift when the market might have fallen 5% but ten years down the line the taxman decides that we should have been at the bottom of the market and we overvalued the house by 30%.

(Deliberately overvaluing assets must be something the tax man has had to deal with before. An obvious way to exploit this would be to pick some hard to value asset (e.g. a painting) and then swap it backwards and forwards, increasing the valuation by the CGT exempt amount each year. When you do want to realize some real gains, then sell the painting on the open market and use that "loss" to offset your other gains. However I'm not looking to do anything more than get a good but fair valuation that isn't going to be disputed later.)

Following on from another thread, if I were say to give my partner xK from income over the next two years (and not affect my standard of living) could she then use that xK to buy a share of the house from me and so we could avoid any inheritance tax issues if I were to die? (This presumes the house price fall scenario doesn't happen). I could then buy it back from her a year later, gift her a bit more money and she buy it back etc, that way using up our 9k/year CGT allowance. Could we actually use stocks and shares to do this, that way potentially use up the 9k both ways - I assume there would still be stamp duty to pay, both for the shares and, potentially, for the property but at 125k we're talking about 2k to lock in 18k of gain.

(I don't actually know what the inheritance tax position would be if I were to die as I'm not sure what's counted. If I just take my assets and ignore bequests to charity then I think I probably fall inside the IHT threshold. But I don't know how life insurance, death in service benefit and pension fund is treated.)

Tim.

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Tim Woodall
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You are aware, I hope, that gifting a share of the house counts as a disposal and will trigger CGT. If you were married, this would not be an issue, but since you say you aren't, it is. Are you thinking of gifting the property incrementally, i.e. in annual chunks of value within which the gain is below the CGT annual exempt amount? Or are you simply trying to dispose of it by gift before the relief available is insufficient to cover the whole gain?

So this property used to be your home, and long ago, because it takes a fair old time for the "reducing proportion" to kick in. You've remembered to include letting relief, I hope. If you've owned the place for A years and it was your home for the first B years, then (B+3+C)/A is the proportion of gain which is exempt, where C is the number of years the property has been let prior to the last 3 years of ownership, and C can be as high as B+3 unless C/A times the gain exceeds £40k. This means that if B is even just 1 year, then A would need to be at least 8 years before CGT becomes even a speck on the horizon, never mind exceeds the CGT AEA.

Grit your teeth and pay a surveyor £100 to value it. Tell him why, and ask him to give a fair value but to err on the high side.

I think that would be fine, but again you would be realising a gain with potential CGT implications. You're playing a game of risk. If your circumstances are that the chance of your dying within 7 years is slim, then paying CGT to avoid IHT is money down the drain, especially if you're a HRTP.

I don't understand why you'd want to buy it back before selling it to her again. Just gift her more money and let her buy additional stakes in the property.

I don't see why not.

The incremental transfers of the property will be below the SDLT threshold, but in aggregate, over time, would not escape being be deemed a "sequence of transactions" with a total value in excess of 125k. From this point of view it would be better to gift the property incrementally than to sell it incrementally, since gifts (transfers for no value) do not attract SDLT.

I don't think these items count as part of your taxable estate.

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Ronald Raygun

That was my idea (to gift it before the reliefs ran out) but see below.

Yes. I did know that. In theory that was what I was calculating, but due to some cut and paste errors on my spreadsheet my projected gains had me paying CGT if I sold at the end of the 2008/09 or early 2009/10 tax year. I've now fixed them and it looks like it's more like the 2012/13 tax year when there will be more than a few hundred pounds CGT to pay. (And I don't expect the property to continue to grow in value at the same rate as I've seen over the last 13 years based on it's estimated value in October 2006)

That's the key thing. Thanks. I hadn't really thought about CGT until my then tenant expressed a desire to buy the house. At that point I didn't know about any of the allowances (other than PPR) and thought I would be paying tax on about 50k of gain which would have meant a 20k tax bill.

I had no objection to selling to my tenant but I'd have wanted to buy another property to let (I'd have used the oportunity to trade up to a property in a slightly better area - much like the property that the tenant eventually did buy a mile or so away) but a 20k hit to tax meant it just didn't make sense. (I did find this out but in the end the tenant bought somewhere else - and I wasn't prepared to negotiate on the price in order to get a sale)

Now I just want to be able to monitor my position so that I don't accidentally box myself into a corner again.

The theory is to use up the 9k CGT annual allowance, not to pay any CGT. The reason to buy it rather than gift is so that if it is transferred backwards and forwards there aren't multiple gifts of the same asset potentially assessed for IHT (I've no idea what happens in that situation but potentially you could end up paying IHT on three gifts but only have on asset to pay it from).

At the moment the annual gain is something like the annual CGT allowance. So to use it all up means transferring the whole property.

Thanks for your help.

Tim.

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Tim Woodall

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