P60

do you mean from your employer.........

Yes.

The rules say 31st May. But as a duplicate copy (called P14) has to be filed at HMRC by the employer by 19th May, there's little excuse to delay giving out P60s.

That said, (a) the P60 contains no information which isn't also on your final pay-slip of the tax year. And if you want it for tax return purposes, and also expect a P11D (or P9D), that isn't req'd until 6 July.

All a bit daft, frankly, and ripe for a bit of Dave's cost-cutting... :-)

In message , Rob writes

I received my P60 in respect of my Company pension this very week.

In message , Gordon H wrote

My employer just staples it to the monthly salary notification/payslip so I get it whenever they normally issue the payslip i.e. a few days ago.

Where is the employer's tax office name and reference on the payslip?

That's not to mention a lot of national insurance information

Also most payslips don't give the employer's and employee's address!

I get lots of clients who lose the P60 and give me a payslip instead and think that's enough.

It isn't - but that's irrelevant unless, as I mentioned, you want it for SATR purposes. In which case (a) it's of no use until you get your P11D and (b) unless you've just changed jobs, it's on last year's P60 (and on your file copy of last year's SATR). (The OP appears not have changed jobs, since he mentions "... this year...", as if it contrasts with same employer, last year.

And what use is that? EE's NICs are on pay-slip, and are only relevant if you've changed job and want to check the full year's NICs. But you can only find "old job's" NICs from pay-slips, not from the P45.

Well - if they don't know that, they're not likely to understand the P60 anyway :-)

In message , Alan writes

My pension company ceased monthly pay slips last year, unless we specifically opted for them to continue. I didn't bother...

I watch my bank account carefully, and I know the gross amount, and calculate that they only deduct what tax is due.

An additional point is that payslips don't have to give the cumulative totals to date of pay and tax. Most do of course (printed straight from the payroll software) but when I worked I occasionally had ad hoc payments with manuscript payslips showing only the statutory minimum.

Then, as indicated by another poster, there is no statutory requirement for pension payers to provide payslips.

This is not to argue against rationalisation/deregulation but as so often with such things there would be winners and losers from abolishing the P60 and a need for some consequential changes.

I'll take all that as confirmation that your statement "the P60 contains no information which isn't also on your final pay-slip of the tax year" is incorrect.

O ye of too much faith

In your job you should know this stuff already, so I'm surprised you want confirmation.

Maybe I should also have pointed out that the P60 says "P60" and the payslip doesn't. Mea culpa.

As you deliberately ignored the general drift of my comments, preferring to indulge in pedantry, the correct answer to the OP's question is "no". You didn't spot that.

I didn't say I wanted it.

General drift? You were wrong. Accept the fact.

So why do you take something you don't want, when others may have a really good use for it?

"he took a bullet to the heart"

Martin: "why did he take the bullet to the heart? I bet he didn't want that." ...... unsuccessful attempt at distracting people from his incorrect statement: "the P60 contains no information which isn't also on your final pay-slip of the tax year"

You're stuck in a groove. I agreed my original statement wasn't literally true. Which bit of "...it isn't..." or "... mea culpa..." don't you understand?

What I really cannot fathom is your inability to "get it" and move on.

Just as you ignored the OP's original question, you also continue to ignore my other comments - primarily about the benefit or otherwise of a promptly provided P60 and various workarounds.

And what, for example, do you actually do with "... a lot of NI information"? Do you check the maths? If so, you need every pay slip for the year.

For someone who seems to slag off HMRC at every opportunity, it's weird that you appear to treasure P60s so much.

Thanks

I will have to chase them up on it. I assume that if I do not obtain one before the SAR deadline is up I will be held responsible by HMRC. (In the same way that if THEY make a mistake in calculating tax due it is probably my problem).

Someone who left in March (lucky guy) got his P45 a couple of weeks ago, so I can't see any excuse. But hey I'm just a worker here.

Thanks

I will have to chase them up on it. I assume that if I do not obtain one before the SAR deadline is up I will be held responsible by HMRC. (In the same way that if THEY make a mistake in calculating tax due it is probably my problem).

## Yep - you've got them sussed :-)

Someone who left in March (lucky guy) got his P45 a couple of weeks ago, so I can't see any excuse. But hey I'm just a worker here.

## Such a delay in issuing a P45 is def bad, but sadly it happens. I would suggest you start chasing your payroll people for your P60 pretty soon - in case they later claim they sent it to you.

## HMRC says (in previous guidance to employers) "...you do not have to prove that you have given them a P60" and goes on to say " [ HMRC] will take a pragmatic approach to sorting out the very rare occasions where there may be a dispute."

## Re. my other comments about getting information in the absence of a P60, HMRC also says "... encourage [ employees ] to keep payslips (especially the last one of the employment or the last one in the tax year) so if they lose their P45 or P60 they may still have the necessary information." OK, they say "may", but IME the "final payslip" is sufficient in the great majority of cases.

## Good luck !!!

Great. We both agree you were wrong.

Like your unwillingness to make a clear statement that you were wrong.

I'll think you find everybody as "ignored" your other comments. You were correct - do you need to be congratulated?

I didn't say anything needed to be done with it. I simply pointed out it wasn't on the payslips when you indicated it was.

P60s are generated by employers not HMRC. If HMRC generated them we would have something similar to the great tax code disaster of 2010!

At least HMRC have one person who approves of HMRC incompetence. He even tries to emulate them!

Who says: "the P60 contains no information which isn't also on your final pay-slip of the tax year"?

Who says the above statement is wrong?