Re: Lets Clear This Issue Up Once and For All

Ho Ho Ho!

Do you think I was hinting you should get stuffed?

"don't be so rude young man".., a man of your standing should be more respectful!

>

You need all components - top management, owners, customers, marketing, financial, production or service personnel. Thinking one is more important is narrow minded.

Peter Saxton from London snipped-for-privacy@petersaxton.co.uk

I personally believe that business is composted of many different areas of skill, some of those areas are more important than others, and some are crucial and some are not, but there are a few areas which are equally indespensible.

Can you list them in your order of importance?

Peter Saxton from London snipped-for-privacy@petersaxton.co.uk

Tough Question.....

I'll try, however, please note it is purely subjective, and every business person will have his or her own opinion....

1/ Product or Service is equal only in importance to selling that product...for a profit.

Everything else is of secondary importance to that.

All this 'order of importance' stuff is tripe. Even the toilet cleaner in Houston contributed to getting Apollo to the moon; a fact that most companies use to motivate their employees - entrepreneurs shouldn't create 'classes of importance' for their workers, that way lies conflict. Who would want to work in a place where only salesmen were respected and rewarded? Apart from the salesmen obviously.

Thats not the point, Peter was not asking who was the most valued employer, he asked who'se function was the most imprtant, now I would say that the toilet cleaner would not have stopped apollo getting to the moon one way or another.

There are some functions that are more important than others, for example....accountants are not very important, your cashflow would not stop if you lost your accountants, maybe you would get in a bit of a financial pickle, maybe even you would not be so efficient, but you could make do with that problem......your business would nto stop functioning.....you could still get through it.

You don't need an accountant to make sure you get paid!

You don't need to be an accountant to pay your bills on time.

That is what the owners of the business know all about. You don't need an accountant to tell you that.

Do you think a business owner would not know about this I am not an accountant, I am not a health and safety specialist, but I know where to get all the info I know how to get it.

Besides I said that in order of importance, you can do without all that for a while,,,but you can't do without any product, you can't do without people selling that product...eg. customers paying you for it.

Nope, not if you did them yourself....

Again I said "order of importance"..I am not saying you can allways do without an accountant..but you could make do..etc.etc. you can use an accountant for the very basic requirements.....you can even use temporary accountants.

They are only in existence due to the fact that the business manufacturers a product and sells that product...

you can have a business wihtout an accountant but you can't have a business wihtout a product or orders for those products.

I think this is simple for anybody to understand what I am saying.

I did'nt say that without all the other servcies you would be most efficient, nor did I say it is desireable, I am listing them in order of importance .

I think that is very easy to say that.. The fact is that any point you raise I defend what I say. I coudl say the same about you...

It is a fact Peter, when you are vocal, when you have strong opinions, in life, there are those who just take issue for no other reason than they don't like people who express their views so freely...

Do you disagree with this as well??

Some people are allways moaning, or will allways take issue or say something negative or challenge a person who is quite vocal.....

Your not like that are you?

If you had any kind of understanding how much valuable information can be exchanged via mediums like this or just chatting with people..etc.etc. you would be AMAZED I think.

A couple of months ago, I was contemplating "buying to let" properties. Do you know I recieved some information via this forum intself that was advice given by people who had not only done the general thing, but had done very very similar things, and I don't know where or how I could have met someone who in person who could have given me, or who would have given me that information....

You imagine if someone was to see me face to face, then they are not going to let me know their own experiences as they might see me as a competitor...but through the internet you can hear about different peoples opinion..

Now that information helped me formulate and improve my business plan...."fools act in haste and repent at leisure" you should know that.

Clean toilets are essentials, however it is easy to get the workers maning the products or the managers to clean the toilets after them, or to take it in turns. Needs must. I'm talking about a situation where for some reason they have to go without! Such as economic hardship etc.etc. extreme competition etc.etc.

Then that is what will happen, even the workforce will start cleaning their own factory, etc.etc.etc.

You seem to be saying that someone else can do accountancy functions, eg. making sure you are selling a product at a profit.

Someone else can do the selling function so - using your logic you don't need salespeople.

Using your arguments I don't see how you can say sales is more important than production. If you dont have a product then salespeople don't have anything to sell. At least if you don't have salespeople you can sell products if someone sees the products and wants one.

Peter Saxton from London snipped-for-privacy@petersaxton.co.uk

It is difficult to reply to you when you don't read or dont' seem to understand what I've said. You seem to have a habit of either deliberately misinterperating what I say, or twisting it...

I said clearly that the two most important aspects in a business are 1/ Production and 2/ Sales

I said clearly again it is "my opinion".

Why are you trying to argue this point when I have said clearly it is "my opinion"...I am not asking you to agree, but I was asked for my opinion....

If you dont have a product then salespeople

Your going around in circles..read my post again..I said production and sales are equally important..

I would appreciate if in future you try to take issue with whatever I'm saying that you read it clearly. Otherwise it is wasting my time. Cheers

I think you are confused.

Without a product or service there could never be schools or hospitals because they both provide services. Why say without products or services there would not be things that provide products or services? Is a school or hospital really a school or hospital if it doesnt provide any services?

Peter Saxton from London snipped-for-privacy@petersaxton.co.uk

Well it would save you from continually posting questions that have already been answered, and would save me wasting my time would'nt it. Lol

deliberately

Who are you trying to kid? That was not in the last few postings....that was out of context...your snipping things and posting them entirely out of context.

What is your point? I said clearly above in response to someone else..that in order of importance is manufacturing and selling.........

Your trying to make out I have said something which I did'nt!

Its hard to see that your doing anything but trying to cause a reaction..lol...some people would say you sound like a troll...I would not disagree at the moment.

Are you trying to pick an argument? By continually not accepting what I say? Then cross examine every little detail LOL until you can make it sound like how you wish?

By selectively posting and snipping eh?

It was clear where I was asked what do I think are the order of importance in a business.

I clearly said Manufacturing and Selling.

So whats your point?

deliberately

I would have expected better behavior than time wasting attempts to score points, cause thats how your posts seem to me, they contain nothing but silly little snipes and digs at me. not that I mind but it makes you look like your a troll..

I think you have some kind of obsession with whatever I say! LOL cause you seem to have gone back in time and tried to pick up on any little thing I've said! Why's that? LOL I am not at all confused.

You never make any points, you just try to seem to pick pick pick at whatever anybody sais..Why don't you make some valid points then? Instead of trying to find fault, why don't you give a difference of opinion eh?

Why say without products or

What are you talking about? Schools and Hospitols are provided from the profits of commercial enterprise.

Try and see what would happen if sales and production stopped in any economy!