UK riots: Refusing to pay tax because of rubbish policing

Agreement on the useless nature of police, courts and government is near unanimous. There are countless reports of police just standing by while shops are looted, or coming many hours later. Looters who were
caught are just given cautions or sentences so short it is an insult.
Furthermore, consider the historical backdrop of MPs dishonestly claiming exorbitant expenses while families burnt furniture to stay warm this winter. Or that the NHS pays £20 for a £2 loaf of bread.
Why should we give this corrupt, self-serving and incompetent government any more taxes?
If 1 in 10 people refused to pay taxes (council tax, TV licence, income tax, NI, ...) the government will be forced to either lower taxes or become half competent.
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On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 06:44:44 +0100, Graham Murray

Only the wealthy can successfully avoid paying their taxes.
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Quite!
In normal times the complaint is not that the prisons are empty, the prisons are bursting at the seams to the extent that politicians are jumping through hoops to find imaginative schemes to let them go again.
Who puts all these people in prison in the first place?
Similarly the courts are inundated with cases why? Where do all these charges come from?
Wherever you look in the criminal justice system, probation service what have the problem is the same, inundation.
My son has been on the streets of London now since Monday, it's been hair raising at times. He has not seen hjs own bed in all this time catching sleep on office floors. If he, or any of the others wanted a break from it then the solution was in his own hands. If he made an arrest, he could be off the streets for two hours dealing with the paperwork.
Beware of that which you wish. The images are captured on CCTV and other media. Now the situation is stabilised. The images are still there, will not go away,and people are sufficiently angry to turn these characters in. Until this stage was arrived at, which eventually was inevitable then arresting people was secondary. Police officers were too valuable a resource to be consigned to the safety of police stations and the scorn of the likes of people who write anonymously on here.
The arrests will now come thick and fast. The question becomes one of whether the courts will deal with them properly and whether the prison service will cope with the influx.
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On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 15:25:24 -0700 (PDT), Ðñïìçèåýò put finger to keyboard and typed:

No, it will just mean that 1 in 10 people find themselves with a court order against them and end up having their assets seized by bailiffs. Those assets will then be auctioned off to pay for the amount of the court judgment against the debtors. Since there will be so many auctions going on, prices will drop. That's good news for the rest of us who can buy things seized from the defaulters at knock-down prices. So yeah, go ahead.
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Mark Goodge wrote:

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I'm afraid the tax levied is not proportionate by even an order of magnitude to the services received.
The courts and enforcement system simply can not cope with millions of tax rebels.
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How do you propose that employees "rebel" against PAYE and NIC deductions by their employers? Quit their jobs?
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Robin wrote:

Fortunately the government has found so many possible ways to tax us, that there are so many possible ways to rebel :)
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On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 01:04:24 -0700 (PDT), Ðñïìçèåýò

Simple. Stop buying petrol or diesel.
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Προμηθεύς wrote:

Is the army a service?
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On Thu, 11 Aug 2011 07:40:47 +0100, Mark Goodge wrote:

Except the courts and ancillary services cannot process that many defaulters which was one of the decisive factors in the collapse of the Poll Tax.
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On 10/08/2011 23:25, Προμηθεύς wrote:

Dear Prometheus,
Oh, don't be so silly. Blame "corrupt, self-serving and incompetent" police and local or health authorities if you like, but this is hardly the government's fault. The fault lies at a far lower administrative level than central government.
For reference, furthermore, the MPs' expenses scandal took place under the last mob. This government has been in office for barely a year, and has had to take hard and unpopular decisions to correct the financial profligacy and deep-rooted incompetence of the Blair/Brown years. It is to their small credit that we are not (yet) cast alongside Greece, Ireland, Portugal, Spain and Italy.
Remember that Labour's proposed cuts, had they won the May 2010 election, were going to be just as savage, only slightly differently arranged. Of course, the Coalition may very well prove itself to be just as useless as previous governments, but it hasn't yet. It's ridiculous to condemn it only 15 months into a 5-year 'repairing' parliament. Change takes time, for goodness' sake.
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On Wed, 10 Aug 2011 15:25:24 -0700 (PDT), ????????? wrote:

You don't have to. There's the Riot Damages Act which pays the victims of riot damage from government, sorry: OUR, funds as compensation.

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root wrote:

3 wasteful wars, a wasteful NHS, greedy politicians, fat cat civil servants, useless police, you name it we got it.
Why pay taxes to support these? It is good money in hard times down the drain.
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On Aug 10, 11:25 pm, Προμηθεύς <prometheus.of.the.f...@ googlemail.com> wrote:

Or more likely, the government ends up wasting resources that could have been invested in improving policing, the NHS, schools, etc. on extracting taxes from these 1 in 10.
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My two cents wrote:

Oh ffs!
As we well know another £7 billion for, say, the NHS isn't going to do squat. It will just be squandered on a gee whiz new IT patient records system and have nothing to show a few years on.
And how much have we spent on 3 wasteful wars? Fine men and women are dying for no apparent reason abroad while ferals run rampant in our street. It is those ferals we should be shipping to Afghanistan, Iraq and Libya!
So your argument that any money to government will go to good causes is a load of tosh. The less of our money the government has to spend, the better.
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You might bear in mind that extreme action such as you promote might lead to extreme responses. For example, if you recklessly and repeatedly refused to pay your tax then the state might withdraw the services you receive - eg no NHS treatment, no response from the police or fire services, no hearing in the courts. Indeed, there is a precedent that might well resonate with those around you: the status of "outlaw".
Of course in order to introduce legislation for "outlawry" the UK might well first need to leave the EU and also repudiate the ECHR. But we can't have everything..
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On Aug 11, 5:02 pm, Προμηθεύ
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I'm not arguing anything of the sort. I'm arguing that the less money government has to spend, the less money the government will spend on good causes.
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You can give the government £100 billion a year, and maybe (yeah right) £1 billion would go to actual good causes. If history is anything to go by not only is the government's attempt to "do good" ham fisted, it is often misguided, inefficient and causes more harm than good (regime change in a distant land comes to mind).
Why not keep the money for yourself and do good in proportion to your generosity and conviction?
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On Aug 11, 11:04 pm, Προμηθεύ
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An untested and risky experiment. You clearly have more faith in anarcho-capitalism than I do.
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