Will the super-rich flee if Britain dares to tax them?

Oct 05, 2007 14 Replies

On Monday, George Osborne thrilled the Conservatives with his promise of an end to inheritance tax as we know it, and he promised to fund this promise with a £25,000-a-year levy for the privilege of non-dom status. He claimed that this could raise up to £3.5 billion.



Osborne?s pledge has triggered a furious political row over non-dom numbers. Broadly defined, non-doms include all foreigners in Britain. No one knows how many there are, let alone how many would find it worthwhile to pay the levy rather than pay UK tax on all their worldwide income. The Shadow Chancellor put the figure at 150,000. Labour hit back with 15,000 ? but the Treasury has since disowned the smaller figure, and so has much of the high-end accountancy profession.



?Labour?s numbers are nonsensical,? says Mike Warburton, of the City firm Grant Thornton. On the basis that the numbers filing tax returns as non-doms nearly doubled to 112,000 between 2003 and 2005, he finds an estimate of 150,000 to 200,000 for 2007 ?entirely reasonable?. More to the point, Warburton believes that at least 120,000 of these will have enough foreign assets to want to protect them by paying the levy rather than UK tax.



One-nil to the Tories, then. But what do the non-doms themselves make of paying £25,000 a year for a status that they have enjoyed free of charge for decades?



And who are they?



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Non-doms include all the Polish people working here on minimum wage. They are unlikely to be able to find £25,000 per year.

All they have to do is keep the Non-dom box unticked and to pay tax, surely? The 25k is the proposed fee for ticking that box.

Matti

You cant avoid Non Dom just by ticking a box, if you break the 17/20 year rule thats it. In any event, Domicile doesnt effect income tax (it is residency that picks that up), but it is relevant for Capital taxes. So domicile makes no difference to a low paid Polish worker.

If the non dom status meant not having to worry about tax advisors and the hassle of frequently changing ones offshore payment set up I believe a lot of people including a lot of very average city workers would find this attractive.

I think a lot of people do this at present and the government would just giving people the opportunity to give them the 25k rather than tospecialist tax advisors.

In message , Nick writes

Income isnt effected by domicile, it is residence that matters. In any event what you say isnt quite as simple as the statement may imply. The onus on deducting income tax is placed on the employer not the employee. The use of offshore companies & trusts is quite common but they are skating on ery thin ice.

Again, domicile has nothing to do with this.

But income is still channelled offshore where possible.

For example, non dom footballers will have their on pitch earnings paid in the UK but their earnings from endorsements paid into an off shore trust and left untaxed, they are, after all endorsing the product world-wide.

It might be possible for business people to split their income similarly

tim

So you're saying that the "dom" in "non dom status" doesn't refer to domicile but to, erm, domestically resident?

Wouldn't it be simpler to call it "non res status"?

Yes it does. If you are not domiciled in the UK, foreign income is taxed on remittance basis.

In message , s snipped-for-privacy@yahoo.com writes

Yes, I was insufficiently clear. I was of course referring to UK income.

I am merely making the point that Residency & Domicile mean different things for tax purposes.

Yes, but this thread is about the tax implications of non dom status, innit.

And it's about the possible consequences of changing the tax treatment of non doms.

I wasn't implying income was effected by domicile. I was referring to the people who do receive income offshore. I wasn't considering income from an employer/employee mindset.

Thin ice or not a lot quite moderately paid people already do it. I thought that this proposal may affect their status.

I may well be mistaken in this understanding.

So you are saying it won't affect people who already effectively have their income paid offshore?

Yes but posters are claiming that Non Dom status means things that dont apply to Domicile but to Residency. I am just clarifying that.

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