no money, no honey

Not "dumb" per se, but more like responding to an agenda they may or may not even be aware of. Women have a wisdom beyond reason. I certainly wouldn't call it dumb.

Sure. Ever hear of the "trophy wife" phenomenon?

-- Les Cargill

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and what "trophy" wife ever married a poor man? the trophy wife must drive a mercedes or beemer, and live in a house with 4 bedrooms and 4 bathrooms.

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bird flu shot

Feynman sold to YOU and other naive physicists. fact is, he only got laid a handful of times and made it sound like a lot in his books. so, compare to the physics nerds, he was "successful" with women. But compared to any normal guy, he was a total deadbeat. Feynman was the quintessintial nerd sitting in the corner scribbling into cocktail napkins that nobody paid attention to -- except the $10 hooker looking to score $10. And if he "scored" with the hooker, he would play up the story to make it appeared as if he nailed marilyn monroe. And only the physics nerds would actual believe this story...

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bird flu shot

Correct. Men, too.

But check out "10 Stupid Things Women Do to Mess Up Their Lives," by Dr. Laura Schlesinger. She is a bit loony herself in some ways, but she definitely has a hammerlock on female-pattern stupidity.

No, they are not even as smart (about this, at least) as typical men are.

Consider: women are much more eager to get married than men are, but single women are happier than married ones.

So women are dumb for wanting to get married.

OTOH, men typically try to avoid marriage, but married men are happier than single ones. So men are also dumb, for _not_ wanting to get married.

But men are at least clearly smarter about choosing _whom_ to marry.

In fact, many do (although domestic amenities like cooking and cleaning surely also figure in this, not just sex). Check out the mail order bride sites.

Many men apparently find the sex they get without marriage is more expensive and troublesome than just getting married.

Love? Love ain't nothin' but "evol" spelled backwards.

-- Roy L

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royls

I beg to differ with that, considering my 145 IQ.

Ibid.

No. We are not. My generation is the first to try NOT to program our daughters that we DON'T HAVE to get married to be "complete". I am that "transitional" generation where some mothers were STILL stuck in the dark ages... :(

Not necessarily. We are ALL the products of our environment. Meaning: we marry what we know. MEN are getting divorced too.

No, but some men marry a personality type like their mother. NOT always good. Mom's a harpy, wife's a harpy. Mom's a doormat, wife's a doormat. Then again, men become their fathers... :(

Because MEN are still programmed to want a subservient wife.

Stevie (been there, divorced 'im, trying again)

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S.M.Serba

er...what are the links to the mail order bride sites you mention?

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Misseur Kool

People tend to marry others who are about the same level of attractiveness and have the same social standing/education, etc...

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Michael Scheltgen

Lighten up. He wasn't being rude at all...

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Michael Scheltgen

As a friend with a higher IQ than that put it, "Intelligence doesn't rule out stupidity."

And yet, the young ladies still want to get married, no matter how you try to reprogram them.

What would that mean?

Duh. And that's the level of insight a 145 IQ produces?

Nonsense. It's no more complicated than wanting to work with people who are pleasant, cooperative, competent in their specialties, and don't give you a hard time.

I rest my case. And I warn you, your attitude does not promise better success the second time around. You are trying to repeal human nature, and you can't.

-- Roy L

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royls

?? Do you know what "Google" is?

-- Roy L

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royls

There is "stupidity" and there is "lack of common sense". You can have one, the other or both. But "stupidity" is NOT "lack of common sense".

True enough. But is that nature or nurture? We (my generation of mothers) are trying to reprogram our daughters that marriage is NOT the only option for them, as our mothers were taught.

Duh. Read below. We marry what we know, what we learn from our parents is "normal". Did you not read my whole post? I said a woman who grows up with an alcoholic or abusive father will TEND to marry an alcoholic or abuser. A man who grows up with a shrew or a doormat for a mother, TENDS to marry a woman who is a shrew or a doormat. Products of our environment.

I MEAN, it is NOT just women who initiate the divorce process. Men do to. So you CANNOT blame ALL divorces on women.

Again, we are talking nature vs. nurture. For millennia men have been programmed that a woman who will do as she is told is a better wife than one who will not. But that does not mean that having a woman with a brain for a wife is exclusive of having one who IS pleasant, cooperative, and competent...

*MY* ex husband was a jerk. He treated me like his personal slave caring for our son, home, finances, AND him, PLUS had a full time job, PLUS was attending college to obtain a professional designation. THEN he goes and has an affair with a mutual friend. I busted my ASS for him, and it wasn't good enough.

My current husband contributes and SUPPORTS me (not meaning financially). AND he gets off his ass and does his fair share of work for our household. AND he likes that I have a brain and can think outside the box.

Stevie

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S.M.Serba

Nature.

Pretend all you like, you're not going to undo millions of years of evolution. Sorry. Darwin's holding a handful of trumps.

We normally don't encounter a lot of opportunities to completely leave our home culture. But some people certainly do so.

So will a woman born to a mother who preferred such men but who was _adopted_ into a home _without_ an alcoholic or abusive father.

Or heredity. Duh.

And I see many, many exceptions to that rule, so many that it looks to me like genes can probably explain _all_ of the correlation.

I was not talking about "blame." But certainly many more divorces are initiated by women.

Uh, I have news for you: cet.par., a woman who will do as she is told _is_ a better wife than one who will not, and cultural "programming" has nothing to do with men preferring the former to the latter. It's just common sense, like hiring employees who will do as they are told and not argue with their supervisors.

And obedient. Right.

Why'd you marry him, then?

?? What are you talking about? Sure it was good enough. You have fundamentally misunderstood the nature of what occurred, including both his and your own motivations. He was not unhappy with you or your marriage. He was happy as a pig in shit. He just wanted more, and your till-then compliant attitude led him to believe he could probably have it. It was _you_ who decided that _he_ (i.e., his infidelity) wasn't good enough for _you_.

Imagine what would have happened if, on learning of the affair, you had simply followed through on your habit of serving him, and encouraged him to enjoy himself -- if you had just happily shared him with your friend, talked about him with her over coffee, etc. He would have thought he'd died and gone to heaven. And really, what would you have lost?

Well, why would you have married anyone who _didn't_ like the fact that you have a brain?

-- Roy L

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royls

recently, ...it just poured out of her.

fluid shot out of your doll?

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bird flu shot

so tell me, do women go down on a first date if you do not pretend to be rich?

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bird flu shot

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