Vanguard Account Shares Transferred to Admiral Class?

What's the best way to transfer shares (new NAV and new symbol, but preserving the cost basis) from one class of shares to another? I didn't see a specific drop down box for this -- apparently Vanguard is lowering their requirement to transfer shares to 'Admiral' class shares (lower cost of ownership), and my brother is asking me.

Does is matter from Q's point of view if the account NUMBER is also changing? I think he has each mutual fund in its own Q account vs. keeping all in a single account if that matters? (I'll ultimately need to do that myself in one account I think, but he has a one for one setup).

Thanks!

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Andrew
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Does that preserve the cost basis? I haven't run a test, but I doubt it.

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Andrew

And that's what the Quicken Corporate Acquisition uses. One Remove shares transaction for all shares of the "acquired" company; one Add shares transaction for each *lot* of the acquired company. Per account where the "acquiring" company is held.

But if one had to do that manually, it could be a tedious exercise.

And when you didn't acquire all your shares from the fi that now holds those shares ... that fi can't download the correct Add Shares transactions (unless you made the effort to tell them about each lot you ever bought, including via reinvestments).

A possible drawback to using Corporate Acquisition for a conversion is that, the Corporate Acquisition "acquires" *all* shares in all accounts; while sometimes a conversion only affects some of the shares owned. Even then, it may sometimes be easier to delete unwanted Add Shares transactions and modify incorrect Remove shares transactions, than to manually enter the correct transactions.

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John Pollard

It does if you make sure you have one Add Shares transaction for each lot purchased of the "acquired" company ... with the correct cost of the original purchase in the Add Shares transaction.

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John Pollard

The question (by Andrew) that I answered was whether the Remove shares and Add Shares retained the cost basis. As my *qualified* response said: it does (when the Add Shares transactions contain the correct cost). The question I answered didn't specifically ask if Vanguard downloaded correct transactions and I did not attempt to address what Vanguard downloaded; just the notion of whether Remove Shares/Add Shares could handle the transaction. I made the requirement clear.

And I think I've said here before, that it's not likely that you can expect investment fi's to consistently download transactions as you would like them. Sometimes they can't. And sometimes they download them as they should, from their perspective ... even if that isn't how the user ultimately wants them recorded in Quicken.

I've learned to check what the fi downloads and adjust accordingly ... including deleting downloaded transactions when there is no way to make use of them. [If a Corporate Acquisition transaction had been done before the download, the downloaded transactions should have "matched" the Quicken generated transactions, and could have been Accepted with causing any problem.]

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John Pollard

FWIW, Vanguard's ADD SHARES and REMOVE SHARES did NOT retain cost basis (as I expected would happen) when downloaded from Vanguard. The incoming transaction has the net value of the outgoing transaction, and thus, no cost basis was made. In fact, it is funny in that the ADD SHARES was processed BEFORE the REMOVE SHARES when I did a ACCEPT ALL. I wonder if it would have been reversed if I selected did the REMOVE SHARES first? No matter, the correct value is still there when all is said and done.

I am not so sure personally I care. Any cost basis I ultimately report to the IRS will be coming off of the Vanguard 1099B when I sell. In fact, I think I remember reading recently that soon FIs are going to be required to report cost basis to the IRS as well as just the proceeds as they do today.

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Andrew

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