Reshingling a (very) old roof repair or improvement?

A relative (really :) got a letter from his home insurance carrier demanding that substantial section (around half) of the roof be reshingled or else coverage would be cancelled.

The last time that part of the roof was shingled was at least 40 years ago, and the contractor said the shingles were "potato chips" -- curling and snapped very easily as they had lost all pliability over the years.

It's a two-unit house with one unit rented and the other lived in.

So would the reshingling be a repair or an improvement? In plain english (which has little to do with taxes :) I could see it either way. On one hand, a roof in bad shape in being fixed. On the other hand, it's being fixed to brand new.

I imagine it counts as an improvement that must be capitalized.

Out of curiosity, would the answer have come out different under the old tangible property rules that were only recently changed?

Reply to
Rich Carreiro
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it is a repair under the old and the new rules.

Reply to
taxed and spent

Could you give some citations for that? Since I made this post I've been reading a bunch about the new rules and from what I've read it seems pretty clear this would count as a "restoration" and therefore must be capitalized. There's even an example in the new regulations which is almost exactly my scenario, and it says the work must be capitalized and depreciated.

Reply to
Rich Carreiro

I thought the example in the regulations, or in the comments to the proposed regulations, indicated the IRS was going to follow the LAW, as explained to them on more than one occasions by the courts, that such a roof **membrane** replacement is a repair. As opposed to a replacement of the membrane PLUS structural components, etc.

Note that the roof is not a separate Unit of Property (UOP), but is part of the building as a whole UOP.

Obviously, the IRS would have liked to make the roof a UOP, but based on the court cases they could not.

What I see as future litigation is how the IRS can impose it rules on other building components which it cannot do for the roof membrane. I would bet that a sewer repair would be ripe for litigation, and the IRS would loose, just as it lost re roof membranes.

Reply to
taxed and spent

I strongly disagree, under the old rules. A roof *membrane* replacement significantly extends the useful life of the roof, over and above what it would have been even if the membrane didn't need replacing.

I don't know about the new rules.

If you could provide specific precedents, I would appreciate seeing them.

Reply to
Arthur Rubin

The IRS lost time and time again in court.

see, for example

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and

T.C. Summary Opinion 2002-117

UNITED STATES TAX COURT

NEVIA CAMPBELL, Petitioner v.

COMMISSIONER OF INTERNAL REVENUE, Respondent

Docket No. 7122-01S. Filed September 6, 2002.

Reply to
taxed and spent

The IRS lost time and time again in court. see, for example

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and T.C. Summary Opinion 2002-117 ... ===============I also seem to remember a more recent TC case about 2003 where a roof paved over with a new covering was a repair expense.

The question is: Is one stripping off the old roof and its supporting structure, or not. If not, then it's clearly a repair.

Reply to
D. Stussy

Thank you. Roofing experts I've contacted disagree with the "facts" in the case, but it appears that the courts don't agree with reality. I suppose I'd have to send any of my clients in that situation to other tax preparers, because I do not believe the "factual finding" of the court is, in fact, accurate.

-- Arthur Rubin CRTP, AFSP in Brea, CA

Reply to
Arthur Rubin

Your version of reality differs from mine. The court was clearly correct, and I have seen roofers' information that jives.

Perhaps you should post your supralegal position in your advertising. It might save some potential clients some wasted time.

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taxed and spent

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