BP Garage cloning debit card

Get your local press involved. This has been happening all over the UK. Pin pads are being doctored and ATMs too:

Hull:

Yep, I've heard of other garages being involved before.

I try not to use ATMs, try and get cashback when I shop.

So, how to trust a petrol station? Be better off paying in cash, until I get mugged ;-)

Wonder if I have grounds to get a chip & sig card instead of a new chip & pin.

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Chip & Signature Card - absolutely.

Tell your card issuer to send you a Chip & Signature Card Your PIN has been compromised through no fault of yours and this was the number you could remember.

Good Luck.

Cheers, will contact my bank and also put it in writing.

Just called them, they tried to insist on sending me a chip & pin, stood my ground.

Sending me a signature card.

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Well done! What sort of organisation tells it's customers what's best for them?

Cheers, I know, I'm perfectly capable of taking the responsibility for signing my card and for my purchases, as I was before chip & pin. The only time I've lost any money was this occasion, with chip and pin!

Found this earlier...

Hmm, if I took cash to the petrol station, say 40 to buy petrol, and have it stolen, I've lost 40.

When my card was cloned, they took 180. And 40 is 40, my card could have been used a few times until I stopped it, but in the one time it was used, they took 4.5 times as much as they could have if they'd mugged me for the cash.

Suppose it depends what you mean by safer!

Well, if you had had your cash stolen, the £40 would have been gone. Irretrievably. You got your £180 back, though, didn't you?

Not yet ;-)

Chip and Signature is a red herring. The magnetic stripe will have been cloned and used with a fake signature. This is equally as possible with a C&S card. The real issue is the Trintech PINpads that swallow the whole card making cloning devices possible to fit. The chip only PINpads don't allow this possibility. The real answer is for chip cards to have the magnetic stripe removed, and given chip only BIN ranges.

have been

Cloning a Chip & Signature Card - This means that crooks can't use this card to withdraw cash (which is the main attraction of cloning the card)

It also means that if they wish to use the cloned card (Chip & PIN or Chip & Singature) at a non compliant (chip & PIN) retailers then at least they've got to do to additional things.

1. Face down retail staff. Increase the risk of being caught.

The cloning and capturing of PINs in the UK would appear to be on an industrial scale.

Therefore all in all. Chip & Signature is safer for the consumer.

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pin, stood my

New Labour?

Matthew writes

I'm inclined to agree. There are still places where staff take the card off you and swipe the mag stripe, (if you let them). :-(

For cash, I always use cashback when shopping.

Microsoft?

""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" Vista ... incorporates Windows Defender, a security program that actively scans computers for "spyware, adware, and other potentially unwanted software". The agreement does not define any of these terms, leaving it to Microsoft to determine what constitutes unwanted software.

Once operational, the agreement warns that Windows Defender will, by default, automatically remove software rated "high" or "severe" even though that may result in other software ceasing to work or mistakenly result in the removal of software that is not unwanted. """""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""

I bet open source software will be deemed dangerous.

" we noticed a linux partition on your HD and erased it to save you" :-)

Doesn't bother me, I will never install Vista, next PC will either be Linux or Mac.

I once said that about XP. However there is some software I use that only works on that - so I gave in :-(

Mark