Charges for returning my deeds.

I have just had a letter from my mortgagee, Halifax plc. It states "I am pleased to advise you that your mortgage is almost repaid. An amount of £205.54 remains outstanding... A Deeds Dispatch Fee of £50.00 is also payable... If you do not include this fee, we shall assume that you do not require the title documents and shall destroy them following repayment".

It goes on to say: "A repayment administration fee of £175.00 is payable on the final repayment of your account. This will, however, be waived if the mortgage has run its full term".

Perhaps some of the members of this group can explain:

How do they justify the Deeds Dispatch Fee of £50.00? It is totally illogical and petty to say that they are quite happy to dig out the deeds and destroy them for free but they want £50 to let me have them. After all, the deeds are my property and I should be able to get them back for nothing. They cannot possibly say that postage and packing costs £50!!!!

As far as the repayment administration fee is concerned, I can see the logic if I were repaying the mortgage very early in that they would lose interest but, here, we are only talking about an outstanding balance of £205.

The Office of Fair Trading has been very critical of banks dipping their bread big time when people were a day late in paying their credit cards. Do you think the same view would be taken over this £50 Deeds Dispatch Fee?

Reply to
Alasdair
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Do you actually need the deeds? They have little practical use these days.

Whether they can justify it or not isn't the issue. Were you aware of this fee at ortgage outset? If they subsequently introduced it were you notified? Can they advise the date(s) you were notified and how? Bet they can't - in which case they will almost certainly waive the fee as a goodwill gesture.

Are you repaying the mortgage early or not? The amount isn't the issue.

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Colin Forrester

For Halifax to assume that you don't want the deeds and will destroy them if you don't sent them 50 is unjustifiable and probably illegal. It is a sad fact that our legal system is so awful that anyone who has enough clout can make their own law. Write to them and tell them that you do want the deeds and that you are prepared to pay a reasonable sum for postage.

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Stickems.

It would depend on the property. I was informed that a solicitor stole the deeds for my current house because of their historic value. I say "stole" because someone working in the office at the time heard him exclaim "look at this, they're handwritten on vellum and must be worth a bomb" and then what was delivered to the building society was a modern copy.

Reply to
Steve Firth

Wasn't this guy was it?

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"Randy Benzie"?

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Steve Firth

Does your mortgage contract say anything about a sum for returning the deeds? If not, tell them that you never agreed to pay for the return of the deeds and they are yours and you want them back F.O.C.

Marcus

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Marcus Fox

Interesting. We just got our deeds from the bank and were considering having them put in safe storage. Should we not bother? The oldest documents are hand-written on vellum; the newest indicate that the house and garden are registered at the Land Registry (two separate registrations). And there's a whole lot of other bumf about previous residents' applications for planning permission for extensions and outbuildings, etc.

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Mike Barnes

I made that comment to a solicitor who handed over a conveyance for the purchase of part of my garden recently. I had been forced to pay for the return of the house deeds when a Rent Charge company (Compton), invoked a clause which forced us to buy the rent charge or insure with their 'approved' insurers. The building Society required me to insure via them, in return for safe keeping of the deeds.

So I went online and re-insured with the approved company (Zurich), and recovered the deeds, which cost me about £75 after a refund of £20 on the insurance.

The insurance cost me less than half of what the B.S. were billing me for, and with better cover!

I still have the deeds here, plus the other conveyance.

Back to the solicitor, who admitted that most paper deeds were now redundant, but said that in any kind of dispute, the Courts "like to see a bit of paper".

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Gordon

Ashby?

Tiddy Ogg.

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Tiddy Ogg

It would of course be foolish for me to give the solicitor's name in public, solicitors being noted for their litigious nature.

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Steve Firth

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