Confessions of a Buy-To-Let moron.

Ex-BBC reporter and now Sunday Times journo Rosie Millard has spent the last 2 years encouraging people to get into buy-to-let. In todays paper she seems to be admitting that it may not be such a good idea after all.

But how many poor, soon to be repossessed, fools has she conned in the meantime .............

The Sunday Times April 03, 2005

Debt juggling, the new middle-class addiction

Rosie Millard owes £40,000 on her credit cards ? being an Impoverished Professional has become a way of life, she says My husband and I decide to go and see the latest Woody Allen; as couples do, we have supper before the movie in a noodle bar. At the end of the meal we realise that between us we have no cash, and so have to pay with a credit card.

"I've brought all the cards," says my husband cheerfully, riffling through about nine pieces of plastic. "Trouble is, I can't remember which ones are up to their limit."

Go to a cash machine? Forget it. Both our current accounts have been frozen. Welcome to the world of middle-class debt.

Last week it was announced there are more credit cards than people in the UK (67m, to be precise), and that personal debt is so huge Britain is more indebted than Argentina. If interest rates go up, the experts warn, the effect on ordinary people could be like a "time bomb". Credit card debt accounts for £2 billion and Britain has in total a £1 trillion debt mountain.

In our case, the time bomb has just exploded. On paper, my husband and I are what is known in polite parlance as "comfortably off". In reality, we have no money. Anything that comes into Chez Millard goes out pretty much immediately on debt repayment.

That, and paying the nanny so we can both go out to work and earn more money. For more debt repayment. An Impoverished Professional, I call myself. And there are plenty of us out there.

My voyage into debt started, as these things do, with an almost unnoticeable, but incremental, downward curve. After the wedding (paid for by my father), we bought a house. "Extend yourselves as much as you can," advised our friends.

This seemed a great idea, particularly when house prices in Hackney started to rocket. So we bought a big house and signed up for an endowment policy.

A couple of years down the line, when we had two nippers in tow, the value of the house had gone up, a lot. We borrowed against the booming equity in our home and bought a couple of flats, which we let. Avid readers of The Sunday Times may know thus was created a penchant for buy to let, which can make you quite a nice income. On paper.

After we had finished charging around Ikea and furnishing two flats, we had another baby (and each extra child necessitates a pay rise to the nanny). It was at this point, I believe, that the great invention of the £10,000 interest-free card arrived.

Flyers advertising funkily desirable credit cards with amusing names such as Goldfish, Mint or Rainbow suddenly started dropping through the front door, flagging up the fabulous notion of six months' interest-free cash. So we siphoned some of our overdrafts onto a card, or two. Actually, we signed up for four.

Of course, we are not alone: nearly everyone I know is playing the plastic game; a senior news editor at the BBC has so many cards ? each bearing a £10,000 millstone ? that he has actually achieved circularity and is having to now take them out in his wife's name.

"We have completely reached our limit of debt and are awaiting money from remortgaging our house," says Jessica, one of my girl friends. "The bank says we have ?reached the end of our borrowing possibilities'."

Which just means they will have to find another pot to borrow from: because banks know that the state of the Impoverished Professional is not at all the same as the state of people who are really, desperately and incurably skint.

Jessica admits her financial nadir is the result of a recent skiing holiday. "And it's the price of me not working," she says. Jessica, mother of three, is a former accountant and like a true Impoverished Professional, still operates as if she were coining it within the Square Mile. "I have no money but I still had a £190 haircut last week," she says. Am I curtailing my lifestyle? Well, I have dramatically curbed my addiction to black cabs, but can't live without a decent haircut every eight weeks, vaguely designery suits, Stila makeup and The New Yorker. As I say to my bank manager (whose mobile number is naturally on my direct dial), if you want to keep working, you have to keep looking the part. And the only way to do that is to put everything on the interest-free card and count the days until the period of grace is up. As each interest-free period draws to a close, my husband and I spend a flurried few days furiously washing debt from all the old cards and finding new ones to plonk it onto.

We have to be very careful not to leave the sum even a week over the six-month limit, for fear of monumental amounts of interest repayments. To make our lives even more, well, lively, we recently had another baby, while at the top of the family, our eldest has started seriously campaigning for not only a dog, but riding lessons. "Thank God they're not at private school," says my husband, with feeling.

In 2002, in the belief that to make money one needs to actually spend it, I decided to splash out on a fabulously chic flat in Paris. I now avoid answering any incoming call with the prefix 33, because I dread speaking to my French bank manager as my French mortgage is in almost permanent arrears.

I am letting my flat to tourists ? it's just that there are never quite enough of them. And French bank managers are far less lenient than British ones. Indeed, the whole French attitude to debt is far stricter. Compared with our 67m credit cards there are only 2.8m swishing around in France, a country with a similar population.

"Maybe we could have a fire sale," says my husband gloomily. We look around our lovely house, into which we have just moved after the arrival of baby No 4. There is nothing to sell apart from our buy-to-let flats, and what is the point of buying them as an investment if you are going to sell them five years later? My mother, bless her, has given us the wherewithal to buy a new car. So we put our four-year-old Skoda for sale on the internet and hope we will make a couple of thou. Surprise, surprise, nobody wants it. Anyone who could use a new-ish family-size Skoda is presumably also in hock to small pieces of plastic from John Lewis, Sainsbury's, Mint and Uncle Tom Cobbleigh. No wonder a consumer credit bill is going through parliament, which will mean stricter controls on lending.

Is there hope? "Well, to get us out of this, one or both of our incomes has to rise dramatically," says my dear spouse, who works for the BBC, which is about to get going with massive redundancies. So, not much hope from TV Centre, I fear. "Plus, we have to dramatically rein in our spending."

We start as we mean to go on. High tea with the kids. A night in with Doctor Who instead of a night out at the theatre. Bracing walks on Hampstead Heath. It's fun, in a Shaker-style, Amish work-ethic sort of way. But habits are hard to break. By Thursday I find myself trundling around Mothercare, picking up clothes for the children, before chugging into Soho to watch a play and crack open a bottle of chablis over dinner.

"Plunge into your savings," someone says, but who has savings any more? There are people in our family with savings, but they are all under the age of eight. Apparently, the supermodel Caprice Bourret saves £7 out of every £10 that she earns. When I find this out, I feel like staying in bed all day. "Well, she doesn't have children, does she," says my husband reassuringly.

At least we don't run a shop; consumer spending is so down that many commercial enterprises are looking into a black hole that will be assuaged only when the debt-stricken populace gets on top of its finances and starts going shopping again. Which we will, we will.

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crowley
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In message , crowley writes

And can all the poor sods who took her advice sue her or seek recompense through the FSA or Ombudsman????????

Reply to
john boyle

Could someone explain to me why buy-to-let landlords are having such monetary problems? Surely they have racked it in with the rise of house prices?

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sgpgpjr

Todays Daily Mail has latched on to this 'tragic tale' .......

Why Rose Millard is flat broke

Tahira Yaqoob, Daily Mail

4 April 2005

SHE is a famous name with a devoted husband, happy family and several homes. But Rosie Millard has revealed that she is £40,000 in debt and her bank account has been frozen.

The former BBC arts correspondent, who once almost fell out of her low-cut gown while reporting on the 2001 Oscars, admits she is one of a generation of 'impoverished professionals' who struggle to curtail their extravagant lifestyles.

Miss Millard, a 37-year-old mother of four, said that every penny she earns goes toward repaying mortgages and credit card bills which have reached their limit. The family have even put their four-year-old Skoda up for sale to raise cash.

Their financial problems started when Miss Millard quit the BBC in late 2003 after it introduced a policy of banning broadcasters from freelancing for newspapers and magazines unless it could vet their words.

Since then she has continued as a columnist for the Sunday Times. 'On paper my husband and I are known in polite parlance as 'comfortably off',' she wrote. 'In reality we have no money.

'Anything that comes into Chez Millard goes out pretty much immediately on debt repayment. That, and paying the nanny so we can both work for more debt repayment.

'Both our current accounts have been frozen. Welcome to the world of middle-class debt. There are plenty of us out there.'

When Miss Millard almost parted company with her £800 strapless Vivienne Westwood frock during the 2001 Oscars, her colleague Michael Buerk mischievously referred to her 'best supporting dress'.After she left the BBC, she and her TV producer husband Pip Clothier ploughed £698,000 into a dilapidated Georgian house in central London, only to see their £100,000 budget for repairs escalate to £250,000.

Nevertheless, they decided to invest further in property by purchasing two buy-to-let flats and a Paris apartment. The move proved far from successful but their real downfall, Miss Millard admitted, was the emergence of credit cards which offer to take on debts of up to £10,000 interest-free for the first few months.

'We signed up for four. Of course, we are not alone. Nearly everyone I know is playing the plastic game.

FLAT BROKE: The mother of four spends all her income on paying off the mortgage and credit card bills'As each interest-free period draws to a close, my husband and I spend a flurried few days furiously washing debt from all the old cards and finding new ones to plonk it on to. 'We have to be very careful not to leave the sum even a week over the limit for fear of monumental amounts of interest repayments.'

Despite this, Miss Millard says she cannot resist luxuries such as 'a decent haircut every eight weeks, Stila make-up and the New Yorker'. She added: 'There are people in our family with savings but they are all under the age of eight.'

Yesterday financial experts warned against people taking up more credit than they could afford to pay back.

Mark Maguire, a spokesman for internet bank Egg, said: 'These socalled impoverished professionals have emerged because we live in a 24-hour society where there are more opportunities for people to be exposed to attractive products through the Internet and television.

'People see credit as enabling them to live the lifestyle they want to lead rather than spending years saving up as they did 50 years ago. People want to consume and consume now.

'There is nothing wrong with that as long as lenders make sure they can afford to repay their debt. Customers need to be given informed choices about what they spend on credit.'

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Reply to
crowley

You pitch your rents above, but not uncompetitively above, the level of the mortgage payments. So, after maintenance costs and (probably) the letting agency's cut, you make a moderate profit.

Then interest rates go up, cutting the profit margins, whilst tenants still have months or nearly a year to go to the next rent review.

But that's OK, because you've still got the equity in the property as a hedge against short-term losses.

Then property prices crash.

BTL was a disaster waiting to happen.

It's happened.

Jon

Reply to
Jon Green

Actually I think the country may be saved from disaster by those brave people who were willing to put their financial wellbeing between the country and harm. BTLers of the UK, we salute you!

FoFP

Reply to
M Holmes

Because many of the people trying to get into buy to let didn't actually have the capital to get into buy to let. So they borrowed the money. they also were incredibly naive. Most of the buy to let types I have encountered have either bought off-plan at the peak of the market or have bought a "fixer-upper" and then squandered thousands doing the property up to *their* taste, dead money.

I've said here before you can do buy to let, if you are selective about where you buy, what you pay, are realistic about your total payments and (in my case) if you choose to go for short term (holiday) lets you have the advantage of no long term tenants.

Many getting into buy to let didn't want the hassle of running a business and after saddling themselves with debt, engaged an agent to run the let on their behalf. Those agents sign up long term leases and often are piss-poor at vetting tenants.

The only family I keep in touch with who hav egone in for buy to let are not out of pocket by thousands trying to evict a tenant who hasn't paid them a penny in over a year. Agent conspicuous by their hand-washing activities.

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Steve Firth
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I can't believe that she is such a fool as to run up 40k in credit card debt, and then to state that her spending continues unabated.

I do run a shop, or rather my wife does and we are feeling the pinch. I'm rather glad that we set up the business without external borrowing and set a restriction that the business must never operate in debt. That is keeping the business afloat, interest payments would tip it into bankruptcy. We're considering closing down which leave us OK financially (more irons in the fire than just one) but would at a rough guess leave about 200 people unemployed since we are the sole outlet for much of what we sell.

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Steve Firth

She's a classic. Massively in debt and spends 190 quid on a haircut. No job but goes on a ski holiday. Finally they have a sprog they can't afford. Then instead of saving to pay debt, they blow more money borowed from honest savers to buy a flat in Paris. It seems to me that neither of these two "adults" have grown up enough to manage money and they're playing a kind of Fantasy Monopoly with reckless levels of debt.

Recessions and depressions were made to sort these people, and their bankers, out. The real worry is that the money they'll probably default on belongs to some hapless saver.

If only there were more people with your attitude to debt.

FoFP

Reply to
M Holmes

They have assets but no cash. Mortgages require cash for the monthly payments.

The assets of course can be sold but that assumes that someone will buy them. I have just made an offer of 100k for a house that a couple are asking 190k for. What is amusing (to me) is that they have called me and are actively considering my offer, a year ago they were boasting about the fact that the house was worth 255k.

Madness but at 100k it is possible to get a reasonable yield on the rental.

Andy

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me

In message , Steve Firth writes

You must have a heck of a turnover for a "shop"? Or the 200 people working for your suppliers earn very little?

Reply to
Richard Faulkner

Property prices have crashed?

Reply to
Matt Robertson

A bit of both, we supply wholesale as well as retail, and the 200 people are a combination of one larg(ish) producer and a whole raft of individuals producing "artisan" products. And no, no one gets paid a lot, not us, not the producers.

Reply to
Steve Firth

For balance, there's a number of other problems that have contributed to her current economic situation.

Reply to
Ben Blaney

The process has started. It won't be an all-out crash, because there's still a housing shortfall, but anyone who doesn't *have* to move right now isn't moving; moreover, first-timers are no longer driving the market. Those factors are reducing market liquidity and braking prices at all levels. If that braking effect continues for much longer, and I see no reason why it shouldn't, the market will fall back. It's already doing so in a fair number of areas, and they're the bellwethers for the rest.

Jon

Reply to
Jon Green

I daresay the same is true in Tokyo, but down 90% and counting...

FoFP

Reply to
M Holmes

When describing land purchase trends in Tokyo, avoid the use of the word "groundswell". It makes people nervous... ;-)

Jon

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Jon Green

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