Economic apocalypse on the way

Apocalyptic prediction in todays Observer........

Alphabet of global downturn

Financier-turned-economic pundit Jim Mellon sees no reason to be optimistic about the world's financial future

Sunday September 25, 2005 The Observer

The unwelcome arrival of Katrina and Rita in the US has swept away illusions about American society. The competence of the authorities, the standard of living of many of its people, the fabric of the country's infrastructure - all have been cast in doubt by the storms' effects. Third World scenes of starvation, looting and rampage have emphasised the fine line between ordered society and the law of the jungle. No country is ever that many steps away from anarchy and chaos. The same is true of financial markets. Although a natural optimist, I am going to make a prediction that is almost apocalyptic. In a short time - a few years at most - the rich West and Japan will have a terrible shock. Living standards will fall precipitously, companies will fail en masse and established institutions will find themselves in financial peril. Asset prices - particularly those of houses - will fall dramatically in some countries, notably the US and UK, and world trade conditions will deteriorate significantly.

Worse, global tensions will rise and China will not only be a threat to Italian sock and bra manufacturers, but a potential military threat to the Pax Americana.

There will be no warning of the arrival of this downturn, but the early signs are clear. Simplistically, I distil these threats into five categories, A, B, C, D and E. All of them represent confluent trends that herald the end of a long period of human advancement in the rich world. Six decades of technological advance, growth in material output, extension of human longevity, and unbroken peace in our cosseted part of the world, is coming to a conclusion.

The five trends are:

· Anti-Americanism and the beginning of the end of US hegemony. · Balances - trade, fiscal and societal - which are out of kilter as never before. · China's growth which has put it on the way to being the world's largest economy and the main Pacific power. · Debts run up by consumers, companies and governments are at all-time peaks, and a dramatic and painful correction is the only remedy. · Environmental: even ardent Bushites must be beginning to think man is having some effect on the planet's climate. The world's population has quadrupled in 60 years, and the problems of waste and consumption, as well as of pollution, are not going to get any better.

The anti-Americanism is a feature of nightly TV news bulletins. Since two-thirds of the world's population - the part that is young and growing - live in relative poverty, there will be frustration about and antipathy towards the Big Brother of the affluent world.

The US policy of acting as a roving cop has added to Second and Third World disaffection, and fundamentalism and terrorism are the children of disaffection. Efforts to help the poor world with rock concerts and debt cancellations are noble but insufficient, especially as Western farm subsidies do more harm to developing countries than our aid does good.

This anti-Americanism, and the US forays into hot spots around the globe, are in themselves not major factors in my economic predictions. But they add a backdrop of malaise to an already deteriorating situation, and will complicate any recovery from what is going to be a period of decline.

Balances - the B on my list - are glaringly awful. The US imports half as much again as it exports, and it pays for the deficiency in its own, self-printed currency. Trade's obese twin deficit - the fiscal one - is largely paid for by Asian central banks recycling surplus dollars they receive for selling goods to America, through the acquisition of US government debt.

These negative balances - which apply to the UK as well - have been around for a long time, but we are close to the limits of their expansion. Any refusal by the Asians to keep on funding US profligacy, or any serious moves to protectionism by the major Western nations, will tip us into a rerun of the 1929 Wall Street crash.

There is only one way out for the US, and it involves pain. I forecast that a deflationary period of adjustment is imminent and that while, confusingly, we are in a short period of commodity-induced price inflation, ultimately asset prices will fall.

The Anglo-Saxon housing bubbles are close to popping, and that will drag down consumption - the great driver of the world's economy - by more than anyone now imagines.

And that brings me to China. Its growth and ambitions are well known. Nearly a quarter of the world's population are prepared to work for wages which are on average one-hundredth of those in Germany. Whatever Germany, or the US or Italy, try to do, they cannot compete with that. More and more production will go to China, protectionist pressures will intensify and diplomatic tensions will grow with them.

All sorts of potential flashpoints exist, but if I had to pick one it would be Taiwan. China wants Taiwan back and one day it will have a go at getting it. The US response to that should be of more than casual interest to us.

In a way, we are in 1912 again. British supremacy was waning then and a new military power rising, one based on economic achievement. Then, of course, it was Germany. We have to hope a similar conflict doesn't result with China.

The first problem with debt is that US and UK consumers have been using rising house prices as a kind of ATM machine to take out equity to spend, often on imported goods. When the merry-go-round stops - as is beginning to happen - the consumption stops too. A slump in consumption lasting a decade or more, as happened in Japan, is possible for both nations. American debt is higher today relative to the size of the US economy than it was in 1929, and all the monetary and fiscal tinkering in the world can't cure its pernicious effects.

Last there are environmental issues. Wind farms, solar power and carbon credits will be nowhere near enough to combat the effects of population growth, China's higher consumption of commodities and the obliteration of the rainforests. Less consumption and more nuclear power are the only solutions.

In short, within three years the world economy will be in a significant downturn, and the correction process for the Anglo-Saxon economies will last as long as a decade.

Pay, and therefore living standards, will have to adjust to the effect of Chinese competition. Stock markets will collapse, house prices in the over-extended markets of the UK and the US will fall by up to 50 per cent, and major investment banks and other financial institutions will go bust.

Opportunities will abound for those with cash and little or no debt, but remember that the people who threw themselves from Wall Street windows in 1929 were generally not those who got caught up in the early part of the Crash. They were those who bought when shares had halved. Cheap can and will get cheaper.

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Crowley
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What a load of old socialist bollocks !!!

Reply to
Tom Sacold

Actually, it was an interesting article which echoes what we in the BNP have been saying for some time.

Inconvenient for you Zionazi neo-cons, obviously. But then, the truth always *is*.

Reply to
Chris X

rotf.

Reply to
abelard

"ROTF" ? Great counter-points and refutation, Mad Ol' Uncle Abie.

Reply to
Chris X

On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 22:33:58 +0200, abelard mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...

FFS not again. What are you doing on the floor this time?

Reply to
hummingbird

you socialists will never understand that.... you could try examining carefully 'what we in the bnp have been saying for some time' but without a soh it is very unlikely you'd ever see the funny side of it.

Reply to
abelard

On Mon, 26 Sep 2005 01:16:51 +0200, abelard mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...

When I really want a laugh, I log on to that EmancipaishonParty/non-party website and read its manifesto.

Reply to
hummingbird

If you don't believe that we've been saying it for a while now, I suggest you read the article archives on the BNP site, MOUA. But I don't suppose you'll bother - the truth would, as ever, reveal your utter dishonesty.

Now that *is* funny ! ;))

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Chris X

it is very interesting to see the socialist substitute for humour....

a simple examination of what you socialists call humour would be instructive for you.... if only you had intelligence or a sense of humour....

explaining humour to you socialists is as forlorn a task as attempting explaining colour to a blind man.... it is very interesting to watch a socialist leaning 'humourist' and watch audience reactions...

you use the word 'humour' to indicate a quite different reaction.... yet you clearly cannot discern that difference....

i wish there were humourous socialists....it is rather disturbing that there are not...joe h comes close at times.... and alan g can show humour but i think he may well have lost his party card....

but most of you don't even recognise humour when it is your face....

while what you seem to imagine is humour is no such thing....

Reply to
abelard

But y'see humour is ultimately entirely subjective. Is Jim Davidson 'funny'? To me, clearly not, but to others, clearly so. How about Bernard Manning? Peter Cook? Tommy Cooper? Jackie Mason? Woody Allen? Eric Morecombe? Different people will find all, some or none of these amusing, but I would be very surprised if their reactions bore any relation to their political affiliation.

Some left-leaning comedians are amusing, so are some right-leaning comedians. IMO Ben Elton used to be funny, now he isn't, whereas Lenny Henry has never been funny. Explaining 'humour' is pointless; either something makes you laugh or it doesn't.

Reply to
joseph.hutcheon

You are very funny absurdalard. "Funny peculiar" not "funny hah-hah"

Reply to
Crowley

what other reaction would one expect from you....

where did you learn that question..the infant playground.... did anyone tell you what it means

Reply to
abelard

no it isn't....most things are funny when correctly viewed.... though the idea of a socialist with a soh is mostly funny by contradiction.

i don't remember any of the above not being funny on occasion most of them i would not cross the street to hear....but that's because i'm more interested in using my time usefully.... a dedicated workaholic....and much of that is because i very easily get bored...

socialists don't find anything much amusing... eg, hakky doesn't laugh...he just tells one he does because he believes he can work off his chips that way....

many fundies are like that....and socialism is a particularly simplistic form of fundamentalism...

even mormons i have met can have a sense of humour but you'd hardly imagine they were socialists although they do tend to be fundamentalists.... no....there is sommat particularly humourless about the socialist animal..

so, let us see...

he never was....you just grew out of him.... one of the most tedious time wasters ever to fill a tv screen

it's a shame really because the idea of a socialist comedian could be revealing.... like most socialists such people whine and whinge...they are not funny at all.... tories laugh at each other and even mimic one another... i'd have thought there was material available but most desperately aspiring left whinging 'comedians' don't seem to find it.... some tory leaning comedians however raise a smile....eg exaggerating right wing 'cynicism' and 'hardness'..... but socialists can't find it in their bowels to laugh at it.... they don't know when it is exaggeration....

they are too busy being 'outraged'/angry or whatever...

indeed...

so, you have had to reach for even 2 examples.... and they both don't work....

c'mon there are even books on the subject....

if i don't understand a remark intended to be humourous...i usually ask...usually i then see the point.... how else would one learn...

perhaps you believe it is like motherhood....you just know.... if you're a socialist of course.... can you imagine a tory answering a question with 'speaking as a mother'....and not guying it up.... but socialists do it quite unconsciously....

regards....

Reply to
abelard

I didnt ask a question absurdalard. I made a statement.

You must be even more puddled than I thought you ludicrous, befuddled old fraud.

Reply to
Crowley

let me try again just for you.... you are expected to be stu-pid pratt....so i'll try to be patient with you

what is interesting is your apparent belief that your infant playground comment would raise your credibility above..... well, an infant playground......

you do have such a belief do you not?

now pretty please, try to make your self useful.....

i want to know why you apparently harbour such an unrealistic belief.... how you arrived at such a 'strange'(i won't say peculiar) belief....

Reply to
abelard

"Chris X" wrote

I may have my attributions wrong but last time I looked the BNP was itself a socialist party.

Reply to
John Redman

not in the slightest....

of course....

regards...

Reply to
abelard

Yes it is, otherwise we'd all find the same thing amusing, and we don't. Just as some people adore strong cheese, and others can't stand it.

He was never very funny as a stand-up comedian, but his scripts for Blackadder are and were excellent.

But do you laugh?

I would compare finding a joke funny (or not) to finding a person of the opposite sex attractive or otherwise. Either it works for you or it doesn't.

Reply to
joeh

Interesting article... Thanks..!

It reflects how I feel about what we are seeing in the world. The Katrina/Rita storms really put the hook in me; they opened many people's eyes almost as if by 'Providence.' It makes me really lean a lot more toward the multiple global warming scenarios, and I'm seeing many more related stories about this problem which George Bush and Company are turning a blind eye.

Some of those related stories are alarming to say the least.

I think more immediately these two '100-year' storms point toward the Bush family's perspective towards poor people in general, and the International Conservative model toward the plight of those who are unfortunate, less well off than elites in power.

The double whammy storms, especially in New Orleans, were surly a bad-breath moment for George W. Bush and the rest of the Republican/Conservative political-complex still aligned with Bush's brand of Pax Americana/gunboat politics. These two storms clearly point to the fragility of local and regional oil distribution networks, over indulgence in 'nation-building' politics, and how in the course of two weeks the whole world could suffer gravely from the effects of merely two local storms somewhere on the planet.

The irony is Bush actually came off looking rather okay after the second storm did so much less than expected. It kind of gave credence to the federal government's lack of response to the first storm, Katrina. But that doesn't excuse how the whole thing was handled by G. W. Bush, flying over, commenting about how "doubly" bad it must be on the ground from onboard Air Force One, right after Katrina hit. This guy is a disaster when it comes to human empathy and his lack of demonstrable intellect. Which doesn't add much confidence to world financial markets.

I'm concerned about the debt the U.S. is running up and how America is going into deep debt to of all nations China. I am concerned with the frailty of global oil reserves, and how politicians are reluctant to make any real shifts from business-as-usual politics. Based on Britain and Tony Blair's politics the UK will get sucked down the drain right after the U.S. loses its footing. That's something to worry about on both side of the Atlantic.

I think the article is quite right about how this will all come falling down around us soon enough and many of us everyday people will suffer for the lack of real leadership from national and international leaders. Politicians these days are too afraid to do anything because of how the 'polls' run the way they think. Back in the days of Churchill and FDR at least some politicians stepped forward and were willing to express what they truly thought -- but not today.

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Jason P

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