Economic slump could return Tories to power says Howard

Oct 01, 2005 28 Replies

The Tories may be finally wising up.........



Economy slump 'would help Tories' BBC 1st Oct



Departing Tory leader Michael Howard said he believes only an economic slump can return the Conservatives to power. Mr Howard said the state of the economy was central to overthrowing Labour at the next general election.



In an interview in the Daily Telegraph, Mr Howard said it was hard for the opposition to win when people were 'relatively content'.



He was speaking ahead of the Tory annual conference, where the leadership contest is expected to step up.



He told the paper: "When most people are relatively content with their economic lot, it is very hard for an opposition to win elections.



"I don't want the economy to go down the pan - I care about the country and I don't want anybody to go through any economic difficulties.



"But in terms of party politics, you have to face the fact that it is difficult - maybe not impossible, but difficult - for an opposition to win an election when most people feel relatively content."

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If its all down to the economy then it looks like the Tories may be in with a chance. Britain is heading for a recession.



Here's some of the job losses and other economic gloom announced just yesterday :


Friday, September 30, 2005


Scotsman: Insurers fear tax rule could send jobs to India OFFSHORING jobs to India may become more widespread among insurance companies next



year unless the government acts to prevent a new tax rule, the industry



body has warned.The Association of British Insurers (ABI) has urged the



government to delay the introduction of VAT on outsourced insurance services, which it says could increase the industry's tax burden by more than £200 million a year. The ruling will only apply to outsourcing within Europe, meaning insurance companies will have more incentive to explore low-cost economies such as India. "It is not good news for UK plc," the ABI said. "It is more likely that outsourced services will move outside Europe."


ManchesterOnline: Cheshire to axe HQ jobs CHESHIRE Building Society is to axe up to 70 head office posts and close four branches in a drive to



save more than £2m a year. Chief executive Karen McCormick announced the changes following a review launched when she took over the role on a permanent basis last month.


Icliverpool: 500 jobs at risk in glass fight A LEGAL challenge that could put 500 new glass factory jobs in Ellesmere Port in jeopardy began yesterday in the High Court. Irish-based Quinn Glass this year completed the construction of Europe's largest glass making factory at the former Ince Power Station.


Just-Auto.com: Pressings plant axes 70 Welsh workers Up to 70 jobs will



go within a month at Krupp Camford Pressings in Llanelli, Wales, after it lost a major order from Volkswagen. Around 165 staff remain at the plant and virtually all production is now for Land Rover, with some additional work for Bentley, another VW Group company.


Ananova: Chocolate Factory Broken Up The famous home of Terry's chocolates has been closed. More than 300 jobs are to go at the plant in York, which is now owned by Kraft Foods International. The site on Bishopthorpe Road has been making chocolate confectionery since 1926 and recently produced 20,000 tonnes of chocolate each year for the domestic and international market.


Reuters: ADC says to cut jobs in England, Scotland Communications equipment maker ADC Telecommunications Inc. (ADCT.O: Quote, Profile, Research) said on Wednesday it would cut about 150 jobs in England and Scotland as part of a move to lower manufacturing costs.


PRW.com: Symphony to cut jobs due to low margins Degradable plastics company Symphony Plastic Technologies is to cut jobs and review directors' salaries in response to low sales and margins. The planned cuts follow a review of the firm's strategy, it said this morning when launching its first half figures


ThisisMoney: BA job cuts 'in the thousands' A STAFF cull at British Airways, likely to run to the loss of thousands of jobs under new chief



executive Willie Walsh, is to kick off with secret plans to axe 500 baggage handlers and cargo loaders - workers who played a major role in



this summer's Gate Gourmet fiasco.


Scotsman: Uniq to axe up to 90 jobs as overhaul continues UNIQ, the convenience food giant, today revealed that up to 90 jobs in Britain will be cut as it shakes its business in the midst of difficult trading



conditions. The overhaul comes in the wake of the arrival last month of



new chief executive Geoff Eaton and the loss of 100 UK jobs in May after the firm saw annual losses widen to £70.6 million, from £15.6m.


BBC NEWS | England | Hampshire | 350 jobs go as final ferry sails The final cross-channel ferry is setting sail between Portsmouth and Le Havre on Friday as 350 jobs are lost.


BBC NEWS | RAC call centre staff cut by half Two hundred jobs are to go



from the RAC's call centres in Bristol by the end of the year. The work



is being transferred to India as part of the company's rationalisation plans which were announced earlier this year.


Leamington Spa Today: 200 staff left without pay as book company faces crisis More than 200 people have been forced to search for new jobs after distribution firm Books for Students went into administration.


TheBusinessEDP24: More jobs to go at Bernard Matthews Turkey producer Bernard Matthews yesterday announced a restructuring of the company with the loss of up to 110 jobs. The Norfolk-based company faces increasing competition from low-cost food producers based in the Far East and South America. At the same time, profit margins are being squeezed by major supermarkets and other outlets, which aim to pay less



for its products.


Reuters: Consumer confidence falls unexpectedly Consumer confidence unexpectedly fell further in September to its lowest level in almost a year, pulled down by an increasingly pessimistic outlook for the economy, a report showed on Friday. Consultancy GfK Martin Hamblin said



its confidence barometer fell to -5 from -4 in August. That was the lowest reading since October 2004, when it was -6. Analysts had predicted the index would remain at -4.


ThisisMoney: First timers get raw deals FIRST-TIME home buyers who cannot stump up a large deposit are being hit with a double blow of huge fees and higher interest rates by some leading lenders.


Independent: Ford to ditch half its suppliers in massive cost-cutting plan Ford Motor unveiled a sweeping shake-up of its relationship with its business partners yesterday, saying it would cut its number of suppliers in half and sign long-term contracts with the rest to try to shave billions from its costs.


Independent: Nationwide says house prices fall for second month in a row House prices fell for the second consecutive month in September, taking the annual rate of increase below inflation for the first time in more than nine years, figures showed yesterday.


TimesOnline: Poor growth 'due to public sector' INEFFICIENCY in the public sector was blamed by City economists yesterday for a drop in a key measure of Britain's productivity growth to its lowest since present records began in the early 1990s. Official data gave a mixed picture of Britain's productivity performance. But critics of the Government's economic record seized on a new low for productivity growth measured by output per hour worked.


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Economy slump 'would help Tories' BBC 1st Oct

Departing Tory leader Michael Howard said he believes only an economic slump can return the Conservatives to power. Mr Howard said the state of the economy was central to overthrowing Labour at the next general election.

What he says is true. However it looks like Gordon Brown's economic miracle may well now be at the top of a slippery slope. Let's hope so, I've had all I can take from the NuLabour bastards. Regards Mike.

I'm in total agreement with you there Mike as are many millions of others.

A quick search through Google will show that this was something that myself and others on this newsgroup were predicting would happen, even before the last election.

At the time I suggested that it probably wouldn't be such a bad thing for the Tories to lose, especially if they wound up being blamed for running the country into recession a few months after taking office.

Although the fact that they appear only just to have cottoned on to this, doesn't IMO inspire much faith in their ability to see any further than the end of their nose.

It's not very good that the Tories would win by merely hanging around long enough though, is it. It would almost be saying that Labour lost, rather than the Tories came through with any good ideas. We might then end up voting Conservative because they are not quite so crap as as Labour. Hobson's choice.

Andy.

Well, it worked for Labour.

Mark

For sure, Gordon the Moron thinks you can hold up a graph of the economic cycle and an upturn will happen like magic. He just doesn't get it, he is old Labour through and through, tax and spend.

Tony is hanging on just long enough to s**t on him, as soon as Gordon's shelf life finally expires.

I predict that not only will the Tories win the next election but that Gordon Brown will not be the next leader of the Labour party.

If the Tories could also unite behind Ken then it would be in the bag. He is not my preferred choice for leader, by any means, but he is popular and can win. Then again he did cut the duty on whisky and cigars once, lovely man.

On 1 Oct 2005 07:45:31 -0700, "allan tracy" mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...

Blair clearly doesn't want Gordon Brown-Stuff to take over from him. Do you think that Blair's delaying his own departure long enough for Brown-Stuff's economic 'miracle' to go pear shaped and solve the problem he has about who takes over?

I sometimes get that impression.

True if the miracle turns sour...

shows how much he is concerned with the good of the country....

as churchill put it...the natural tory mps priorities are country, constituents, party...

the quicker h***** is moved aside and ignored the better for the party and the country....

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"Alastair Campbell?s brutal description of Howard?s lingering presence since his ill-judged resignation on 6 May - ?forgotten, but not gone? - contains a melancholy truth." osborne is incorrect... not melancholy...the quicker the socialist coup are forgotten the quicker the party will recover... endless damage has been done to the party by those arrogant shallow chancers...

and not 'ill-judged'...about the first useful thing he has done...

In message , Andy writes

That's what Labour usually do

How can the Tories have any good ideas when labour have moved onto their ground, (right of centre). The problem is that Labour "talk the talk", people have believed them, but they dont "walk the walk".

I was amazed at labours broadcast the other night - it started with a bunch of youngsters being asked what they want to see:

Better education Better crime prevention and crime fighting better health services provision

Suggests that F*&k all has changed in 8 years, and Labour were confirming this in their broadcast.

Like what usually happens.

Sleaze lost the Tories the last election. It may well contribute to Labour losing the next.

The new leader will be in place by Dec. 6th.

For all his faults old Ken Clarke is the only one with the charisma and presence to beat New Labour at the next election IMO and to deliver us from this Blairite nightmare.

Osborne is showing some potential in his role as shadow Home Sec. and is starting to question the myth of Browns so-called 'economic miracle'. Davis is OK as shadow Home Sec. but is no leader IMO.

Yes definitely, wait for the downturn to damage Gordon's reputation. There are plenty in New Labour that would like to try for the leadership, and plenty who will encourage them when things start to go pear shaped and the prospect of lost seats and opposition government starts to rear its ugly head.

Not if but when.

The penny still hasn't dropped with Labour that utopia has to be paid for.

Yes, it's definately time for Tweedledum to make a return.

The country was in recession in 1992, yet the opposition lost that year's general election.

The economy had been growing for several years in 1997, yet the opposition won that year's general election.

Clearly, the performance of the economy is only part of the equation.

Also, if Howard thinks the *only* chances of the Tories returning to power is for the economy to slump what does that say about his belief in Tory values and policies?

James

If this is utopia, I hope I never see hell!

On 1 Oct 2005 11:36:05 -0700, "allan tracy" mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...

On that basis I think time is on Blair's side. He could stay on for another 3-4 years but the downturn will likely go serious much sooner.

I see Brown-Stuff's already started lining up the whipping boys - it's all OPEC's fault.

Indeed. How they crave to create state dependency w/o realising the costs.

On Sat, 01 Oct 2005 20:20:44 GMT, Maria mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...

lol. I bet Brown-Stuff would weep if he heard that ... after all those nice state handouts he's been throwing about...

It's all very well receiving say a 27 billion pound windfall from mobile-phone licences and then injecting an extra 20 billion into the NHS. But the expectation will be that that amount of money 'plus' will then have to be found on a yearly basis, so much easier to give, than to taketh away!

On Sun, 2 Oct 2005 00:07:29 +0100, "Ivan" mysteriously appeared thru the usenet mist to inform us thus...

Brown-Stuff has also jacked up NI contributions and stolen billions from pension funds to fund his spending spree. But still we see little improvement in public services.

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