I work from home in a Ltd company. I am a director in this start-up
company. I occasionally have customers and suppliers in my house for
If the company employs a cleaner who cleans the house, less bedrooms, will
this be seen as a taxable perk? The area covered would be the through
lounge and dining room (where I work), kitchen, hall, landing and bathroom.
I feel these areas are the ones used through the day in the course of work.
My income is fairly low at the moment and so any taxable perk would have an
impact on my WTC etc, to the point a cleaner becomes quite expensive to me
Probably a few hours a week, for 6-7 per hour. I would say 20-30. My
question was really based on how far a "work portion" could go. In essence
could it include the area seen by customers and used by myself during the
Personally I feel that you need to pro rata it based a lot more
upon the time of business use. If you claim for 3 hours cleaning
a week for a room used for meetings for 3 hours a week and
personal use for 165, the revenue will see it for what it is: TTP.
Also as a director you have to convince IR that working from home is
'necessary' for the performance of your duties. Otherwise, every director,
office holder or employee will be bringing clients home and claiming a
proportion of cost of heating, lighting, cleaning, insurance, Council Tax
etc as working expense.
Working from home is obviously "necessary" in the sense that it is
cheaper to "rent" office space from yourself than to rent separate
Were the chap not working from home, he'd necessarily be claiming
rather higher expenses, which would only increase the frown on the
tax man's face.
There are no other company premises. Any work is either carried out at home
or contracted out. The house is rented so can claim an allowance fom the
company of 25% of the rent. No single room is used mainly for work
therefore my working at home should not attract business rates.
I doubt I can receive an allowance towards council tax?
I'm genuinely surprised at that. Council tax is a tax I associate with
residential dwellings and business rates with company premises. Therefore I
thought you either pay council tax for the part not used for business use
and business rates on the part used for business. Typically though with the
banding structure, council tax doesn't reduce down a band if just a room is
taken out of the equation.
I live and learn!
I was thinking along the lines as long as the purely residential parts of
the house are not cleaned or billed separately it'll be OK.
I'm also of the opinion that the IR won't query small amounts,
especially if they are small in proportion to the total turnover. I'm
pretty sure the IR (and C&E, etc.) have a set of 'norms' that they
check your returns against. If your claims are within the normal
range for the type of business thay are unlikely to ask questions
about specific items.
I'm sorry but don't understand what this figure of 10 is? Am I right in
understanding that it the figure of benefit in kind to the employee, ie
where the company pays the cleaning, part council tax, part rent etc?
It's the figure that you can claim against tax for 'use of home
as office' without the revenue putting you in the 'audit' pile.
You may be able to justify more, you might find that the cost
of doing so (in yours and your accountant's time) is not worth
the effort. Unless the revenue are unreasonable in their
demands (for paperwork etc) you won't get these costs back.
This will be 'amount actually paid' minus the 'amount allowed' (i.e
the above 10 pounds)
Its an amount that people have put on their returns and because it is low
and the IR does not have enough resources to challenge every claim, they
concentrate there limited resources on those that put more exhorbitant
claims on their returns.
We are talking about a director making a claim under S198 ICTA 1988 or S336
In Hillyer v Leeke, Goulding J said that the terms of S198(1) were exacting
and almost impossible to satisfy and Ihave to agree.
There are thousands of people who work from home and there are others that
have a work place at home. The difference might be subtle but it is there.
The office worker with the need for quite who goes home to work in the
comparative quite is not incuring costs that satisfy S198(1) as they are not
necessarily incured nor in the course of his duties.
The person who sets up office facilities and operates his own business from
his home is incurring expenses but these do have to be attributable to the
business activity. Domestic Rates or council tax do not fit that bill. They
would not vary whether the business was run from the home or not so would
not be allowable.
Where you do not have a room that is set aside for exclusive business use,
you are looking at a proportion of the room or rooms that are used for
business purposes and any bill that is greater because of the business
activity could certainly be demonstrated to have a business element.
This can happen for gas and electricity bills, itemised telephone calls but
others will not, such as rent, TV licence, council tax and anything else
that has a fixed charge and is not exclusively for the business use.
Although the bottom line here is even if it is not strictly correct, if you
are not greedy, you will probably not be asked to explain yourself.
I was a computer contractor for many years and worked (as is normal)
through a Ltd. company. My wife also does freelance work and uses the
In this situation it's quite easy to charge things as expenses to the
company, it doesn't appear on our personal tax returns as a claim for
use of the house as a business expense.
However we don't charge any cleaning or anything like that to the
company, on the other hand we're not too strict about making sure that
company sellotape is only used for company use. We do split phone
usage by having a separate line for the company.
I think the IR (as I said) have a set of norms for a small business
and as long as you are close to these norms they leave you alone.
We lose a bit by not charging cleaning expenses etc. to the company
but we gain a bit by using their sellotape (etc.).
When working from home I had telephone voice line rental disallowed as
there was only one voice line, even though the business could not have
functioned without a phone. £250 heat and light allowance was never
queried though, but if it had I could have shown from the billing history
that this was a fair assessment of the extra costs caused by running my
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I have heard this about telephone line rental since it is a facility you
make use of privately. However the cost of calls and services primarily
used for business purposes I thought were allowable. In my case redirection
services and associated call charges.
I also have a second line which I use for making business calls and I
believe (hope) this is treated differently and fully allowable.
Many people use their home as a second office. My home is my place of work
and even my garage is used as a store and workshop.
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