Harwood Pension

I thought he had to be 55?
To be honest I don't have any issue with him drawing it. There are many coppers who have done worse, whose actions hadn't been captured by the media or passers by, perhaps with less disastrous consequences.
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Fredxx
Would you happily lose your pension if you committed any criminal offence. Have you never exceeded the speed limit?
The victim's family already have a route to compensation from the Metropolitan Police.
My main gripe is that he was never prosecuted for Common Assault, or even Assault. A successful prosecution for manslaughter was never going to be successful.
A resignation from the Crown Prosecution Service for their dishonourable practices would be a more appropriate avenue for complaint.
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Fredxx
No, I don't believe I have and certainly not to the degree that NIP that would be issued. I support the harshest penalties being levied against middle class yobbos, or indeed any other class of yobbo, that breaks speed limits.
Not quite certain what that has to do with violent criminal that launches unprovoked attack on harmless drunk.
No, they get their compensation from the taxpayer. Why should I as a taxpayer have to pay for the crimes of that worthless piece of shit Harwood?
2 post motems said he was guilty, one said he was not, and that was only because the authorities gave it to a known incompetent who has now been struck off. There was a very reasonable chance of success of conviction and almost guaranteed chance of conviction if the incompetent doctor had not been used.
That as well.
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LebesgueMeasure

I think I recall a figure of £15,000pa, but both my memory and tabloid reporting may be faulty.
I would rather hope that anyone caught defrauding the company they worked for would forfeit their company pension. Unfortunately Eric Daniels kept his.
The defence lawyer argued that Harwood's actions were measured and proportionate. I find that scary.
But it won't bring Ian Tomlinson back :(
Adrian
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anonymous

The murder of Jean Charles de Menezes springs to mind, and the subsequent erasure of CCTV footage.
Cressida Dick has since been promoted at least twice.
Adrian
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anonymous
Harwood was just trying to do his job, the news shows you one clip of him "just trying to get down the street" but he had been winding them up long before that aswell. Harwood pushed him (rightfully or wrongly) and he ended up dieing because he was a massive pisshead and had problems anyway. Is it not enough on his conscious that he had killed a man?
I agree that Assault should have been found against him but anything more than that would be well over the top.
We can't have a country of coppers who are affraid to use their powers - i think maybe we should stop criticising them so much, before long they will be too scared for fear of public attack to even use their powers!
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jack

It's a 'job' he shouldn't have been doing in the first place with his track record of 'anger management issues'.
Sounds like justification for letting the Taliban get Harry.
Is it on his conscience? He doesn't seem very contrite. He doesn't seem to be able to grasp the concept that he's not suited to the police force.
I see two problems. The first is the inherent system of corruption in the police, from top coppers getting off speeding charges and accepting prezzies from potential contractors, to police statements being changed and incriminating evidence going missing when they screw up. The police should be seen to be whiter than white, their primary duty to protect the public rather than protect themselves.
The second is the reult of creeping politicisation, from Thatcher illegally using the police against the miners' strike to more recent examples such as illegal detention by kettling during anti-capitalism protests.
I don't want a country where the police are too scared to use their powers, but I do want a country where they are answerable if they abuse those powers.
Adrian
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anonymous

Thats a fair point and yes the police are at fault for this, however I dont know if youv seen or heard the police track record for this kind of thing.. It is shocking and the majority of police have been found for hundreds of violence related crimes..
I dont get this reference at all
Its bound to be on his conscience, if a man dies and the majority of the country are telling you its your fault, what else are you supposed to think! Obviously he never intended for him to die, but that is what happened in the end, i think anyone in the same shoes would be feeling terrible about it.
All i see is the revolution of communication technology highlighting issues which have always existed, corruption dates back since the beginning of civilisation. Now there is all this technology, everyones dirty little secret can be found whenever anyone with the determination decides to find it.
Again something which has always been in play, the fight between freedom and tyranny has been around since at least the days of Plato and Aristotle..
Its a grey line, a big thick grey line of what is right and what is wrong, its not a black and white thing and the decisions made in action by the police can be difficult. With the amount of scrutiny against the police and their already tainted record of criminality, they really cant win in the eyes of the public. The public doesnt see good police officers doing good work, all they see is bad police officers doing bad work...
I still dont believe the Harwood used excessive force. They are told to use the rule of minimal force - he pushed him - it doesnt get much more minimal than that..
Jack
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Jack

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