Pensioners better off

UK pensioners 'see incomes rise'

The average UK pensioner is nearly twice as well-off financially now as they were back in 1979, a report from insurer Clerical Medical has said.

Average weekly pensioner income rose from £47 in 1979 to more than £300 by 2004, the study found.

However, after stripping out the impact of inflation, the average pensioner is now 97% better off than in 1979.

Much of the rise in income has come from personal and workplace pension savings, Clerical Medical said.

The amount of income coming from private pensions rose at three times the rate of income from the state pension, the study found.

Strong growth

Surprisingly, considering the developing UK pensions crisis, the period 1999 to 2004 has seen strong growth in pensioner incomes, according to Clerical Medical.

Average pensioner incomes rose 3.5% a year in the five years up to

2004. This compares to average annual rises of 2.5% in the 1980s and 2.7% in the 1990s.

In addition, the group found that the gap between pensioner incomes and the working population had narrowed since 1979.

Pensioner incomes in 1979 were worth 48% of the UK average, by 2004 this had narrowed to 61%.

"There has been a significant shift in the balance between pension income sourced from the state and private pensions over the last 25 years," John Hiew, managing director of Clerical Medical Financial Services, said.

"Almost 70% of retired households now rely on their private pension arrangements to supplement the cost of living in retirement, compared with 40% in 1979," Mr Hiew added.

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Reply to
Daytona
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It surely comes as no suprise that the average pensioner is better off, now a large number will have sizable pensions (raising the average) when previously almost none did.

The pertinent question really is how well off is the bottom tenth percentile.

tim

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Reply to
tim (back at home)

Pathetic. Considering inflation in Council tax, fuel bills USW USW.

The issue is not are they better off now having bought and paid for a private pension, It's more have they got the benefits they were promised when they signed up? My (tied) adviser said my pension would be "Telephone numbers". It's not it's "Telescope numbers" and the telescope is the wrong way round.

Did they spell out what they had taken out in charges throughout the time the pensioner was paying in, even as the funds went down?

They need to show their working out ! Presumably this simply reflects the greater amount paid in since the '70s.

Some of my funds have gone down over the last 18 months. The best are back to parity with 1999.

Reflecting greater amounts paid in in the late 60's + 70's.

Whooopee -Doo.

How much have Council taxes/fuel bills/water bills increased?

'cos of greater amounts paid in in previous years.

So what? They paid for it , what would Mr "Hiew" expect? Did they get what they were promised?

You don't seriously believe all this cut'n paste propaganda do you?

DG

Reply to
Derek ^

Is it? Surely it's just as pertinent to the other 90% how well off they are, and if you want to do it purely on a equitability of income then we need to look at the other few billion people in the world and include them in the counts.

Jim.

Reply to
Jim Ley

What other 90%?

The "bottom tenth percentile" is that one percent of pensioners whose income lies above that of the bottom 9% and the top 90%.

That's what tim said, though it might not be what he meant. :-)

He may have meant the bottom ten percentiles, or the bottom decile.

Reply to
Ronald Raygun

Daytona wrote

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Hmmmm! My State Pension (Inc SERPS), rose by 2.7% this year. My Company Pension rose by 2.3%. State Pension = 56% of my pension total Company pension is obviously 44%..

Council Tax rose by 2.7%, and the Council congratulated itself for that. Gas and electricity prices rose about 14% and 12%.......

Reply to
Gordon

The reason why your state pension rose more is probably that inflation on your GMP is paid by the state.

Reply to
Terry Harper

Terry Harper wrote

The Company pension increase is based on the RPI for the preceding December, probably a crafty choice, as it is often a low point. :-(

The indexing is capped at a maximum of 3%, and it is some years since they gave any discretionary 3% increments.....

Reply to
Gordon

Perhaps you'd like to explain how this makes a difference in the long term

tim

Reply to
tim (back at home)

Pensioner income 538%

It is; because that's what the article is about.

They're entitled to their management fees whatever happens. If you dislike that aspect why did you choose funds and how do you expect the advisor to be paid or do you expect free advice ?

So why did you choose those funds ?

Then they've outperformed the FTSE All Share and 100 index.

DYOR -

You're doing a remarkable good impression of a whinging pensioner. Since you've omitted any authoritative figures to back up your arguments I believe them more than I do you.

Daytona

Reply to
Daytona

December is usually a high point, as prices typically fall in January, but as it is done annually, seasonal fluctuations aren't going to make a difference.

Reply to
Jonathan Bryce

Don't know what RPIX is but expect it's bezzled.

Don't know precisely what "Pensioner income" is either and you have not said.

In 1988 the advisor said they were tax free, would be worth "Telephone numbers", were controlled by the government and guaranteed by the government, and were presently growing at 28% and USW USW USW.

Super :-(

Fukkit then.

Another IFA's coming on Thursday, I think he's the seventh.

Beats the hell outa me why they can't give you a straight answer having been given all the details. The last one took 12 weeks and lost track of 60% of the investments. Despite us re-sourcing all the details ourselves phoning and faxing them to him, he still maintains no knowledge, and he got my details mixed up with someone elses of the same name, ( DPA anyone).

Our accountant said well sorry and all that but he's the best I know.

"Best of a bad bunch."

:(

The investments total £400k.

Am I really a typical whinging pensioner? With that much I woulkd be surprised. Is that the typical opinion of an operator in the financial services *Industry* of their customers? Their wine bar back-chat?

If so, the industry needs to pull it's socks up, or would have to if it wasn't regulated. If it's regulated it doesn't have to perform, only comply.

However that doesn't apply now 'cos nobody in their right mind is putting money in schemes like ours.

I retire in 9 months I'd just like to know where I stand. But I've been asking this for 5 years.

Keep turning the handle, keep collecting the commissions.

While you can.

DG

Reply to
Derek ^

"Gordon" wrote

If December is always a "low point", then the figure for the previous December will be "low", hence

*increasing* the rate over those twelve months!
Reply to
Tim

Tim wrote

My brain hurts . . . .

Reply to
Gordon

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