My wife and I have a mixed portfolio of Shares and Unit Trusts. It has built
up gradually over the last 25 years. It has been suggested that we should
put it in the hands of a Stockbroker to manage it. The initial charges are
3% followed by 1.25% annual charge. It would seem to me that it might take
some time to re coup these charges. Can anybody offer any advice? Is there a
minimum value of Portfolio that should be put in the hands of a stockbroker?
We are rather nave in the workings of the finance world and would be
pleased to receive advice.
In message , GJ
Given that you have built it over 25 years, what can a stockbroker do
that you cant do for yourselves - except care less if it's value falls.
The workings of the finance world screw you out of fees, whether your
investments grow, or diminish! Unless you no longer have the time to
manage it yourself, or have been losing money bigtime, it looks like you
can save 4.25% in year 1 and 1.25% every year thereafter - not a bad
return for nothing
In message , GJ
You need to find a 'fund manager' who is also a stockbroker and also one
you will give you a bespoke service and not just put you in their
'balanced portfolio'. Dont accept an initial charge and 1.25% seems high
if there isnt an intermediary IFA. If the value is less than £100k then
it isnt worth it. Dont go to a local broker, there are a couple of
decent national brokers with regional offices who will give you a
bespoke, bottom up, stock picking service for .5 to .7% per annum.
In message , Richard Faulkner
Possibly make it worth more than it is now?
An estate agent writes :-)...... "
He he! I note the grin! The test isnt the charges, but if they can give
value. Those charges seem high but it is always a mistake to judge
investment managers merely by their charges.
In message , john boyle
I'm not an estate agent any more!!
I wasnt judging them by their charges, but by the number of people I
know who have lost money investing with funds, or endowments, or
pensions etc. - you will know what I mean.
It always struck me as strangely unmotivating for fees to be based on
the value of a fund, rather than on growth of the fund. "Heads they win,
Tails they win"
That's a reasonable idea *if* a stockbroker can prove that they would
have managed the money better over the period. That's the first thing
that you should get them to demonstrate. A large number fail to even
match the index, hence the recent attraction of Index funds or the
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Appear comparatively high to me.
Why not use an investment trust like Personal Assets Trust
. Set up by the
managers as a tax efficient way to manage their own portfolios. They
have a remarkably down to earth approach as evidenced in their
which they will send you on request (published every 3 months in
addition to the book referred to here).
.....but intelligent enough to find one of the best financial forums
in the UK ! The other being although
The Motley Fool evengelises about managing your own portfolio. It's
not necessary to understand finance, just to be able to locate people
Depending on the amount, it might be worth investigating inheritance
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Post again when you've investigated the offerings and people here will
be able to comment on their respective merits.