It can literally be a culture of incompetence.
If anyone new starts and they are good at their job the incompetent
people resent them and make their life a misery until they leave. Only
other incompetent people are embraced and encouraged to stay.
Peter Saxton from London
dont take this it personally, because one day you will be the one with
5,000 bonus and the newbie will be getting zero. Will you stick up for
them then? This is life girl, if this stuff gets you you now it will
wear you down.
thanks for everyone for all the advice, negative or positive. i appreciate
you all taking the time to write back.
it was eating away at me so i asked my manager the following:
i noticed in my last two paychecks that i did not receive any kind of bonus
for the season. i would like to know whether it is performance based,
company policy based on time worked here, or an oversight. if you could set
some time aside to clarify this i would greatly appreciate it.
he got back to me and said we will meet about it next week, and apologized
for not meeting about it today but there were deadlines he had to meet
i was nervous about asking or bringing it up, but i feel confident enough in
my skills and work ethic to not shy away from such a situation. just today i
noticed three more jobs in my area that actually pay $2500-$5000 more per
year and I will be applying to those. I never had the chance to interview
for high quality positions while working a good position before. i'm curious
to see whether it makes a difference in receiving an offer and being in
this situation has also made me realize i have to take care of myself and
follow my dream of sitting and passing the CPA exam. it's easy to get
comfortable when you're working, leaving goals behind, but i'm huge on
setting for and reaching goals.
Good for you!
Remember it's salary that gets you in the door, but employee retention is more
under the control of the employer than the employee. If they can't afford to
you the way you feel you should be treated, then you have the right to pick up
your newly grown skills and take them where they will be appreciated.
Personally I consider a lack of or an unjustifiably low bonus an invitation to
it's as simple as that. It's a rare situation in this job market that benefits
motivation to stay working for an employer. Years ago there were things called
pensions that were strong motivating factors for remaining loyal. Now most
are portable and fairly universal.
But remember if you're not getting the bonus you are looking for you still need
ask if you are getting valuable training that is probably worth much more to your
resume. The bottom line is get what's important to you.
Good luck on your goal of sitting for the CPA exam.
You might not have been given a bonus because they hadn't budgeted for
it. If you are a new employee, you probably wouldn't have been entered
in the bonus "pool" for the year. So you might get a bonus next year!
An accountant for 14 years, I have been rewarded almost exclusively
with salary increases than bonuses. On the other hand, I know lots of
bonuses have been paid to management and others in my industry. So you
are not alone in being an accountant and not getting a bonus.
Hang in there. It sounds like the things that are learning will help
you as your career progresses.
thanks Doug. I agree with you. But seeing the company give out $300,000 in
bonus and knowing I stepped in and cleaned up a lot of the problems in our
department, I still feel stung by not receiving anything, not even $250. The
least my manager could have done is pull me aside and explain it before she
gave me the payroll to enter. She tried to hide it from me by not having me
"compile" the information as I usually do, instead having me only "enter"
the information. But I'm not stupid. I know the departments based on our
accounting codes. There are three people in our department - a manager (she
got $5000 and I fixed her mistakes), an accounts payable person (who
routinely messes up when cutting checks, at least a dozen each months are
off by 1 or 2 numbers), and me the staff accountant (who got nothing). I
think it's bullshit, but as people have said, you're going to see a lot of
bullshit at jobs especially working in accounting.
So, I try to look at it as a victory because I've learned a lot in over 3
months, I'm studying for the CPA exam, and I had the guts to confront my
manager in a cool, calm, and professional manner. If what they tell me is
not satisfactory, I will look for a new and better position while continuing
to work hard for them until I accept another.
I'm still hurt by it, though.
well, today was the day i was going to talk with my manager about the lack
of christmas bonus.
but... upon arriving, i had an email from him saying he was going to delay
our meeting because we need to concentrate on the close for this month, as
that's our first priority, she has an accountant coming in the 22nd for the
audit/etc. but she'll definitely meet with me "sometime this month" after I
do all the work for the year end.
i'm trying to do the right thing but there's only so much you can do. all
day long, other managers were coming in my office (i share the office with
the human resources assistant) complaining that their employee didn't
receive their "extra $100 bonus" on top of their normal bonus. i was about
to say, "hey, i didn't get shit!" can you believe this company? i have to
compile and enter the payroll, see everyone get all this money, but i do all
the clean up work, not even getting a dime in bonus or a satisfactory
explanation why. he's a coward, what, he can't find 5 minutes to tell me
whether it was a mistake, because of my performance, or company policy? i
never asked for a meeting about it. all i asked was for an explanation. it's
just not right.
he probably wants to tell me i'm getting nothing (after i do all the work he
needs done). what does it matter anyway, after the year end? he got what
she needed from me. i'm sending out resumes and got three calls already. if
i can set up an interview i'm gonna request a half day off for an
"appointment." fuck em.
I think it may be a good idea you move on if you can't handle the
position you've been given. You obviously can't handle seeing what
other people make, whether fair or not, without comparing it to what
you make. It would be very difficult for a manager to have to explain
decisions to you every time you feel slighted.
But does that change the truth? That i'm cleaning up their work and mess,
and others are getting thousands of dollars in bonuses? How pathetic is it
to be the only person in the department not to get any bonus? Even the
person who shares my office and worked there 4 weeks got one! That's the
issue. I want to know why I did not receive a bonus, so I can make a
decision regarding my career. There's no reason to work for anyone who will
slight you in that way. All I asked for was an explanation, and instead I'm
getting excuses and delays.
I agree that the OP should move on.
This company has showed that it's not a company that any person of
ability would want to work for. It would appear that incompetent
people get rewarded and competent people do not.
I agree that a manager could not explain a decision to the OP. It
would appear that they are too scared to explain the decision.
There's plenty of people in business who are incompetent or apologists
of incompetent people. Keep away from them and only deal with good
people. Let incompetent people wallow in their incompetence.
Peter Saxton from London
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