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On Fri, 12 Jan 2007 13:38:34 +0000, Peter Saxton


What culture are you describing?
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It can literally be a culture of incompetence.
If anyone new starts and they are good at their job the incompetent people resent them and make their life a misery until they leave. Only other incompetent people are embraced and encouraged to stay.
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Ahhhhh......you're describing the typical government office.
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Paul Thomas wrote:

I just noticed yesterday that the DMV workers looked a lot like the Wal-Mart shoppers.
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All dressed up, eh?
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dont take this it personally, because one day you will be the one with 5,000 bonus and the newbie will be getting zero. Will you stick up for them then? This is life girl, if this stuff gets you you now it will wear you down.
good luck
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thanks for everyone for all the advice, negative or positive. i appreciate you all taking the time to write back.
it was eating away at me so i asked my manager the following:
i noticed in my last two paychecks that i did not receive any kind of bonus for the season. i would like to know whether it is performance based, company policy based on time worked here, or an oversight. if you could set some time aside to clarify this i would greatly appreciate it.
he got back to me and said we will meet about it next week, and apologized for not meeting about it today but there were deadlines he had to meet today.
i was nervous about asking or bringing it up, but i feel confident enough in my skills and work ethic to not shy away from such a situation. just today i noticed three more jobs in my area that actually pay $2500-$5000 more per year and I will be applying to those. I never had the chance to interview for high quality positions while working a good position before. i'm curious to see whether it makes a difference in receiving an offer and being in demand.
this situation has also made me realize i have to take care of myself and follow my dream of sitting and passing the CPA exam. it's easy to get comfortable when you're working, leaving goals behind, but i'm huge on setting for and reaching goals.

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Good for you!
Remember it's salary that gets you in the door, but employee retention is more under the control of the employer than the employee. If they can't afford to treat you the way you feel you should be treated, then you have the right to pick up your newly grown skills and take them where they will be appreciated.
Personally I consider a lack of or an unjustifiably low bonus an invitation to leave, it's as simple as that. It's a rare situation in this job market that benefits are sufficient motivation to stay working for an employer. Years ago there were things called pensions that were strong motivating factors for remaining loyal. Now most benefits are portable and fairly universal.
But remember if you're not getting the bonus you are looking for you still need to ask if you are getting valuable training that is probably worth much more to your resume. The bottom line is get what's important to you.
Good luck on your goal of sitting for the CPA exam.
Rick
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Me wrote:

You might not have been given a bonus because they hadn't budgeted for it. If you are a new employee, you probably wouldn't have been entered in the bonus "pool" for the year. So you might get a bonus next year! An accountant for 14 years, I have been rewarded almost exclusively with salary increases than bonuses. On the other hand, I know lots of bonuses have been paid to management and others in my industry. So you are not alone in being an accountant and not getting a bonus.
Hang in there. It sounds like the things that are learning will help you as your career progresses.
Doug
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thanks Doug. I agree with you. But seeing the company give out $300,000 in bonus and knowing I stepped in and cleaned up a lot of the problems in our department, I still feel stung by not receiving anything, not even $250. The least my manager could have done is pull me aside and explain it before she gave me the payroll to enter. She tried to hide it from me by not having me "compile" the information as I usually do, instead having me only "enter" the information. But I'm not stupid. I know the departments based on our accounting codes. There are three people in our department - a manager (she got $5000 and I fixed her mistakes), an accounts payable person (who routinely messes up when cutting checks, at least a dozen each months are off by 1 or 2 numbers), and me the staff accountant (who got nothing). I think it's bullshit, but as people have said, you're going to see a lot of bullshit at jobs especially working in accounting.
So, I try to look at it as a victory because I've learned a lot in over 3 months, I'm studying for the CPA exam, and I had the guts to confront my manager in a cool, calm, and professional manner. If what they tell me is not satisfactory, I will look for a new and better position while continuing to work hard for them until I accept another.
I'm still hurt by it, though.

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well, today was the day i was going to talk with my manager about the lack of christmas bonus.
but... upon arriving, i had an email from him saying he was going to delay our meeting because we need to concentrate on the close for this month, as that's our first priority, she has an accountant coming in the 22nd for the audit/etc. but she'll definitely meet with me "sometime this month" after I do all the work for the year end.
i'm trying to do the right thing but there's only so much you can do. all day long, other managers were coming in my office (i share the office with the human resources assistant) complaining that their employee didn't receive their "extra $100 bonus" on top of their normal bonus. i was about to say, "hey, i didn't get shit!" can you believe this company? i have to compile and enter the payroll, see everyone get all this money, but i do all the clean up work, not even getting a dime in bonus or a satisfactory explanation why. he's a coward, what, he can't find 5 minutes to tell me whether it was a mistake, because of my performance, or company policy? i never asked for a meeting about it. all i asked was for an explanation. it's just not right.
he probably wants to tell me i'm getting nothing (after i do all the work he needs done). what does it matter anyway, after the year end? he got what she needed from me. i'm sending out resumes and got three calls already. if i can set up an interview i'm gonna request a half day off for an "appointment." fuck em.

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Why is it I suspect your attitude here is what they see at the office.
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Because you mistakenly assume that how one types on usenet is how they act at work. i'm sure they only give bonuses to perfect, yes-men.
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I think it may be a good idea you move on if you can't handle the position you've been given. You obviously can't handle seeing what other people make, whether fair or not, without comparing it to what you make. It would be very difficult for a manager to have to explain decisions to you every time you feel slighted.

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But does that change the truth? That i'm cleaning up their work and mess, and others are getting thousands of dollars in bonuses? How pathetic is it to be the only person in the department not to get any bonus? Even the person who shares my office and worked there 4 weeks got one! That's the issue. I want to know why I did not receive a bonus, so I can make a decision regarding my career. There's no reason to work for anyone who will slight you in that way. All I asked for was an explanation, and instead I'm getting excuses and delays.

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I agree that the OP should move on.
This company has showed that it's not a company that any person of ability would want to work for. It would appear that incompetent people get rewarded and competent people do not.
I agree that a manager could not explain a decision to the OP. It would appear that they are too scared to explain the decision.
There's plenty of people in business who are incompetent or apologists of incompetent people. Keep away from them and only deal with good people. Let incompetent people wallow in their incompetence.
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Peter Saxton wrote:

Or it could be that other people's payroll is none of her business.
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On Thu, 11 Jan 2007 09:17:01 -0600, "Angrie.woman"

Should the manager explain why the OP didn't get a bonus?
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