Greetings - just saw an ad on ebay here
John
JIP has written on 11/11/2011 11:17 AM:
"This listing (180753251106) has been removed, or this item is not available."
Interesting that it's been removed - just after I told him I would be checking with Intuit if this could be legal. He was offering 2012 Home and Business for $44.99. The Ad said it was the full retail version, unused, unopened - but then gave a download link.
It's already been taken down. The only legit sources of downloadable Quicken that I'm aware of are Amazon and Intuit.
Who give's a rat's ass? Key is the PRICE and the probability (or not) that the copy bought will WORK on YOUR machine.
It may not be important to you, but for me the legality is of equal importance to the price.
BUT - I have just had confirmation from Intuit that it was a legit download. So I got it for $44.99.
Definitely worth your follow-up!
I'm with you... There's something particularly low-life about stealing software.
From: "Uncal Bob"
"JIP" wrote in news: snipped-for-privacy@text.usenet.plus.net:
My understanding is that in the US the "first sale" doctrine provides that the exclusive rights conferred on copyright holder only extends to the first sale of a copy. However, in the 9th Circuit, in the "Autodesk" case the court held that a license agreement could prevent the resale of a copy of licensed software.
Note that in the US, courts have held that when software is loaded into computer RAM, that results in "fixing" a copy in a "tangible medium" and hence is subject to the exclusive rights of copyright act.
scott s. .
"Uncal Bob" >>> mentioned anywhere.
Yeah, right. I just can see all those software corps going into Chapter whatever it is. You EVER download free music or "free" video? Hypocrite!
They can parrot all the so-called rules they want--fact it, for the most part, they are totally unenforceable. An unenforceable law is NO LAW.
As a matter of fact, I haven't. Every music and video download I've done has either been an individual purchase or through a subscription service.
An other questions?
That was supposed to be "Any other questions?"
"JIP" wrote
Greetings - just saw an ad on ebay here
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Here's a quote on the subject from an Intuit employee who was a manager in Quicken customer support at the time (back in 2008).
"I've been checking into this issue to learn how we distribute Quicken. Coming from the support side of things, I don't usually concern myself with how customers get our product. Intuit offers downloadable copies of Quicken via the Quicken.com site and through Digital River. Digital River then supplies the download to legitimate retailers such as Best Buy or other large retailers. Ebay's own listing policy prohibits offering downloadable software on Ebay unless the seller is the owner of the copyright on the software. If you see Quicken for download on Ebay, you are dealing with a seller that uses fraudulent business practices and is stealing Intuit's intellectual property. So, if you see a download of Quicken available anywhere other than
Since you now say that Intuit has declared the download legal, I'm curious about how they determined that. And whether Intuit has had a change of policy since 2008.
It appears that eBay still has their policy regarding who can sell downloads via eBay, since the listing for the download apparently quickly disappeared from their site.
Somebody probably considers the terms of the marriage contract as unenforceable as well.
EVERY contract has a "price point"--that price at which it is NOT worth enforcing. It's up to Intuit to enforce its contracts, NOT Joe Blow on UseNet.
From: "Sharx3335"
It is up to each and everyone of us to act ethicallly and not support software piracy and itellectual property theft.
Afraid I can't answer anything about how Intuit has come to deciding that my download was legal - they just did! I gave them the download link and a screenshot of the Ebay advert, and the confirmation email I received when I placed the Order. And Intuit declared it as genuine.
The seller was a person who signed himself as an authorised Intuit redistributor. Doing a Google on his name shows someone of the same name as a senior manager within Intuit.
At the end of the day I have saved and printed the email from Intuit
In my occupation I work with people convicted of thefts of various kinds. It's amazing how many of them presume that because they steal, so does everyone else. It's a neat bit of psychology to make it OK for them to carry on!
Who made YOU God, buttwad? Sorry, but it is MY responsibility to look after MY interests and NOT those of giant corporations, unless, of course, I just happen to be a shareholder.
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